Talk:Yo (album)/GA1

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Reviewer: Kingsif (talk · contribs) 07:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After doing Tu Manera, I'll be reviewing this - full comments should be added soon. Kingsif (talk) 07:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Style

Lead good length for article
The sentence starting "In addition, Inna..." then repeats the phrase halfway through: another phrase could be chosen or sentence could be separated.

Changed to "alongside"

In background and release, where the birthday youtube teaser is mentioned, I'd recommend moving the description as a short film up to be "Inna uploaded a ~~video~~ short film on her..." - I initially thought it would be a vlog

Done

Describing an interview as "eventual" when it's a few days later is just incorrect, as well as an unnecessary adjective in general and a bit odd to be used in reference to an interview anyway

Done

That interview statement doesn't need to be a direct quote, paraphrasing might read more neatly with the established style

Done

"Meanwhile" needs clarification - was the signing in relation to the album being produced, when in the process did it happen?

Done Removed since there is no exact info on that

"Ultimately," as an introduction also unnecessary along the same lines as 'eventual' - it also implies there was long debate over a release date, which doesn't seem apparent

Done but included an "subsequently" since it related to the other instance where she said the album was to be released in late 2018.

"which would eventually be conducted by Global Records and Roc Nation" has a few notes:
- ditch eventually, as above

Done

- it doesn't flow well where it's been put into the sentence, I'd consider taking it out and giving this info its own sentence or, the option I think would be better, incorporating it more into the start of the sentence and giving the artwork release its own sentence.

Done

The release website and party could be introduced better, like "On the day of release, Inna..."

Done

Could the first line of the creation section be phrased differently? Having " in Spanish due to the "Spanish vibe"" is a bit clunky - perhaps moving the Latin America mention up to between the two or restructuring a bit more, because the section starting with "During an interview in 2018," is also a bit odd (it reads like a continuation rather than a beginning). It also then feels that the composition started during an interview in 2018. Maybe make the decision of language the lead of the sentence.

Done I made it a bit differently, is it ok?

Yes, very nice :)

Is there any reason the word cerveza is in Spanish? Also, do we need the whole quote - there's three sentences in this paragraph that are largely different quotes prefaced with a variation upon "she said", it doesn't read too well.

Done Changed to "beer" and removed a slight bit of the quote. Is this ok? I don't really know what to di about the "She further stated" thing.

The sentence about taking creative control sounds slightly promotional; I also feel that the side reference about the album title's origins deserves more than three words.

Done I removed a bit of the sentence, but frankly I think the title thing is quite self-expanatory. Any suggestion on how to expand the statement?

It kind of is self-explanatory, but it can't hurt to expand on how the title was chosen... how about "The singer took entire creative control over the album, which is why she chose the title "Yo", referring only to herself, and contributed significantly to the songwriting" Just drives it home.Kingsif (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good use of quotes in the second sentence of the second paragraph here
The sentence "Lyrically, Inna speaks about "many female characters seen from different perspectives, through several pairs of eyes" " is unclear: does Inna in her lyrics talk about having different perspectives, or are the songs through different perspectives?

Done The songs are from different perspectives. I clarified it.

The sentence starting "Each song.." has a quote, supposedly from Inna, but where she is referenced in the third person. Who said this and should it be paraphrased?

It is unclear who said this, although it was probably just a quote that was adapted for the news of several Romanian magazines. I trimmed the quote though.

"organic sounds" doesn't seem like the right term.

"Organic" is widely used in music, and it should mean natural sounds, self-made sounds. Do you have an alternative?

In, like, "sounds developed organically", not that they are organic - suggestion would be 'natural' or 'homemade' (or both, natural first) Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What is Aficia? A music magazine or something? It doesn't have a page and context doesn't establish it, so it should probably get some explanation.

Done

The "themes of love and empowerment" seems to be attributed to the Aficia review, even though it's sourced to four publications that aren't him.

The reviews each speak about either one or the other song delving on either love or empowerment. I think it's needed to clarify that it's multiple songs that talk about that.

No, I agree - I mean that the phrasing makes it seem like the statement is following from the one before it, so needs some tweaking to clarify Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Run-on sentence about themes in different songs could be split and rephrased for ease of cohesive reading.

Done

Is there really value in mentioning the order of songs by vague genres as a list? (this really needs reworking, because it is the most list-y I've seen a prose list, using the connectors "Next" and "Then") Could it instead be turned into a discussion of the use of genre in the album? Especially the more traditional Spanish sounds would be interesting, and justifies having a clip included.

I don't want to speak against you or something, but I think it's important to mention which separate genres the songs on the album have. Also, I use "then " or "next" vocabulary since I'm ordering the tracks in the order of the album's track listing. When I say a track "follows", then I mean it does in the track listing. Could you give more precise suggestions on this para here though?

Oh no, I think it's useful... it just reads as a list instead of prose. You can say "The album shows Inna's songwriting in a variety of genres, including pop, like on the tracks X, Y, Z; rock, etc." To describe the information. And as said, mentioning the more traditional Spanish ones (like the flamenco sounds) could have separate discussion? Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Cosmo quote in crit. reception could be paraphrased to read better

Done

"slightly criticized" - 1. this isn't shown in the text but a long quote praising the album all the way to Mars is 2. quantifying criticism is an odd thing 3. and if including a quantifier, it would be better (and more neutrally phrased) as "also included some criticism/some marginal criticisms" - "slightly" suggests it should be disregarded and is also poor grammar (he either criticized or didn't, other phrasings are used to suggest if there was a lot in the review or not, e.g. my examples)

Done I don't think we necessarily need paraphrasing here, so I trimmed the quote. I also removed the "slightly".

The quoting style is "X says: 'really long quote' " - article overall too heavy on the long quotes, paraphrasing needed
In promotion and singles - the music videos, were the ten shot in seven days all filmed in the same seven day period, or were they each only assigned seven days (i.e. more like 70 days total)?

Everything done in 7 days.

Wow. Let's make that clear :) Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First paragraph of this section jumps around from the content to the production and could be rewritten for flow

Done Is it better now?

Vertical video is format, not the tone of the video - this should be two separate sentences, they're not really related.

Done

Half of the middle paragraph here is a verbatim chunk of the lead. Both need rewriting.

Done Is it better now?

"Under similar procedures," sounds medical

Done Is "Similarly" better?

The last sentence doesn't need to directly quote - the first quote is forced inline with the wrong grammar, and the other is so simple it feels obsolete.

Done I've rewritten it.

In the release history table, "Various" presumably means "Worldwide"?

We can't say "Worldwide" since we can't cite if it really was released in every part of this world. "Various" is a common alternative here.

...worldwide doesn't mean literally everywhere, it just means across the world rather than localized. This isn't a massive need, but the common word would be worldwide. Kingsif (talk) 19:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fail seems like a lot, but it's more-or-less a thorough copy edit that the main editors can do. I'd like to see work starting in the next few days on the edits, though, given the amount.
As another note, a lot of the refs are showing warnings about having wiki markup in the publisher, if that could be fixed it would look better, but not actionable.

Coverage

Some excessive quoting where direct quote doesn't add anything, and may aid understanding if paraphrased
Origins of title only given three words

See above

Are there no more reviews? And is the Cosmo one actually from one of their editorial team?

The Cosmo one is the staff. There really isn't more to the album critically. I always search Google to death, and it's utterly hard to find reception for Inna's works since they aren't really that mainstream worldwide.

Is there no sales history for the album? A chart history table would also be beneficial.

The album did not enter any charts, and sales are not available. It'd be nice to actually have info like this on Inna articles, but it's sadly a rarity to find such sources.

Any information on Inna learning Spanish? I know Romanian is closer to Spanish than most expect, but it still isn't widely taught.

Yeah, they're pretty close :) Inna has been learning Spanish from telenovelas. I included this too. :)

Fail see comments

Illustration

Good use of tables
Not sure the music videos images are particularly illustrative, and since they're fair use, may be better to remove; images also not needed because good amount of illustration through article without it

I think the images are not that bad here since they illustrate two specific characters Inna embodies, by name. But of course I can remove it if you want to.

Fail - uses copyrighted images that do not improve the article

Neutrality

Article isn't a promotion, per se, but contains language that is relatively promotional regarding the artist, e.g. quanitfying criticism but excessively quoting positive reviews and using language exaggerating Inna's work and the 'new' elements of the album, without real reason to.
Fail just some clean up

Verifiability

Some less reliable sources (Star Gossip Magazine), but used as source for personal statements/interviews, and author's view attributed so it should be ok.
Generally look good, all accessible.
Pass

Stability

Had a copyedit after nominated, but nothing that wouldn't have been brought up or fixed by main editor anyway
Pass

Copyright

Check looks good
All media under copyright, but are discussed with reasonable fair use. However, I don't think the music video images add anything that the descriptions don't - in fact, I feel the descriptions are needed to see what they portray.
Excessive quoting leading to large parts of the article being blocks of unincorporated quotes, addressed in Style notes.
Pass - but still consider removing the music videos images and look at quotes

Overall

On hold Putting this on hold, but rather than the regular seven days, because there's a decent amount of work edging towards needing clean-up, I'd like to see work starting within the next two days really. Cartoonnetworkfreak usually pretty good and getting started and doing lots of the work, which is why this isn't an immediate fail. Kingsif (talk) 21:20, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Hey and thanks for reviewing this! Unfortunately, I need some more time (maybe up to one week) to solve these problems. If you don't have anything against that, let this onhold, or if not, then fail and I'll work on the comments and let you know when I'm finished so I can renominate. Many greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cartoon network freak: If you feel you can get round to it, I'll leave it on hold :) Kingsif (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: I responded to your comments, but surely we will have to talk out some points. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cartoon network freak: Yes, looking good - a few notes, but thanks for working on it! Kingsif (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: I think I have done all of your points. For the "Composition" section, I have removed some of the description on the songs' instrumentation and focused more on the genres themselves. Is it ok? Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Cartoon network freak: Yes, looks great!

Kingsif (talk) 20:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]