Talk:Worth village, West Sussex

This article was split out from Worth, West Sussex, see [1] ++ MortimerCat (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Why? It barely seems worthwhile given that both are very short unsourced articles. Tafkam (talk) 16:59, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I am starting to expand the Worth (parish) article. Worth (the village) is outside the parish, so it does not fit into the parish based article. I thought about merging Worth (the village) into Crawley, but after a bit of research, I saw that there is potential for the Worth (village) article to grow. ++ MortimerCat (talk) 17:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I remain unconvinced of the value of such a separation. I can't see that either article will ever be sufficiently long (let alone both!) to prevent future editors reasonably suggesting a merge. The village itself has very little record since it became part of the New Town, and parishes - for the most part - deserve little more than a bit part mention in the main article of the village after which they are named. Obviously it is unusual in this case that the parish is named for a village which no longer exists (and indeed would be outside of its boundaries if it still did), but that doesn't, to my mind, warrant the separation of these two very small entities. Furthermore, were it warranted, I would argue that the entries ought to refer to Worth, West Sussex as the village, and Worth (civil parish) or some similar arrangement, since (as your many redirects clearly demonstrate), the most common wikilink is to the village rather than the parish. Tafkam (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I am going by guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. The civil parish is the basis of village articles. Population and area statistics relate to the parish. Governance is parish related. Areas outside the actual village are included such as rivers, lakes, SSSIs, etc. are included because they are in the parish. MortimerCat (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I apologise for a lack of clarity. My point was less about which article should have more importance, but more to highlight the lack of a need for separation. If there was enough content for a separate article about the village, I might be inclined to agree, but as it is, it strikes me that the village has ceased to exist. Therefore, it strikes me that it might be more appropriate to record mention of the historical village in the main article, while demoting any mention of the current ward area to a section of the Crawley article, if that. I just don't think that this article stands on its own merits. Perhaps you can outline what potential you think the article has for growth, and the sources you might suggest? Tafkam (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Going back to why I separated it, it was because the village technically does not belong in the Worth parish article. Rather than just delete the information, I created this article. I agree, normally an article this short would not merit a split, although it is larger than a lot of village articles I have seen (and merge tagged). The article as it stands talks about Saxon and Wealden iron industry. There was a railway and employment in the area. There is possibly a story about how it was split away from its parish. A reference book I have beside me mentions Wilfrid Scawen Blunt was from a local landowning family and having his ashes scattered in the village. This website [2] talks about Worth village vigorously defending its own identity. To be honest, I had not heard of Worth until I went to update the infobox on Worth, West Sussex. But from what I saw, I concluded there was potential for expansion. Time will tell whether there is citable material available. I was not just going to cut and run, I am intending to expand it myself, so watch this space! MortimerCat (talk) 19:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Having looked at the two articles I see little merit in them remaining seperate. There's the promise made in 2009 to exapand this article, but I see little evidence that much of great value has been added since the split. If the feeling is that the Worth Parish is not the place to have it then maybe it should be put under the Pound Hill section instead. Nshimbi (talk) 22:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)