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Discrimination against "Infidels" and Bisexual/Gay people:

See Talk:Girl Scouts of the USA#Discrimination against "Infidels" and Bisexual/Gay people:. --Mistress Selina Kyle 19:27, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What is your point by posting this link here? Do you have a suggestion for this article? --jergen 19:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with the previous poster. The link is not applicable to the WOSM article, since this is NOT a WOSM sanctioned way of running a Scout association. It is, however, highly applicable to the BSA article. --Johan.holmberg@home.se 01:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Role of Scouting at the United Nations

Jergen had a problem with this text.

The WOSM is the non-governmental organization (NGO), that represents the Scouting movement at the United Nations.

Discussion of the WOSM role at the United Nations is relevant and appropriate on this page. evrik 16:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- That was the problem? Ablaze 16:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - There was a comment on another page that the information was not well enough documented.evrik 16:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chief scout

In Template:Infobox WorldScouting there is a field called "Chief Scout". While it is described as the "name of president or equivalent (optional)" (which in WOSM's case should be the Secretary General, as the chairman of the committee is given no powers by WOSM's constitutions [1].

Anyway, there only ever was one Chief Scout of the world, and it was B.-P., so I'd rather mention him in that box, and I'm sure Eduardo Missoni will forgive me ;-)

--Lou Crazy 23:00, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no "chairman of WOSM", just a Chairman of the committee with no real powers outside the committee.. --Lou Crazy 03:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The field in the infobox is intended to list the president of the organization. Both Herman Hui as chairman of the executive board and Eduardo Missoni as the Secretary General could be listed. Now they are listed both. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 19:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC).[reply]

The executive power of WOSM rests in the whole committee, not in its chairman. So you'd have to list the whole committee. --Lou Crazy 23:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the point is solved by adjusting the field as done (and equiv. added), and by listing both Missoni and Hui (as done). I'm not going into semantics on chairman nor into the political power of members of the World Scout Committee. Wim van Dorst (Talk) 23:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC).[reply]

By claiming Hui is the chairman of WOSM you are going into semantics :-) --Lou Crazy 23:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting spamming

I am once again reverting the POV addition by User:Jagz, he's already spammed it enough. It would be comparable to someone suing Coca-Cola and having to plaster one's article over articles having to do with all soft drinks or Atlanta. Checking out the guy's edit record, he definitely has an agenda. It's not censorship, it's having your article linked only on proper articles. Will continue to revert each time this comes up. Chris 02:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You won the debate because you don't make any sense. I'm speechless. --Jagz 02:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Scouting Controversies and Concerns article needs expansion

The Scouting controversies and concerns article needs to be expanded by the addition of Scouting problems and controversies from countries and regions around the world. --Jagz 03:08, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

Suggest merge of World Scout Bureau, World Scout Committee and World Scout Conference. These articles are not written as expansions of the sections in this article, so there is a lot of overlap. World Scout Bureau and World Scout Committee seem to have their content copied from a BSA and a WOSM site; see their talk pages for details. If they can then be expanded here, then they can be split back into separate articles. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

support merge. Chris 13:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

support merge. J.D. 13:32, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

International organization leaders by year

I found this article/category, and would like to start filling in for WOSM and WAGGGS. Do you guys know where I can get a list of past Secretaries General of the World Organization of the Scout Movement? (as well as a more complete list for Director/Chief Executive of WAGGGS) We need to start filling in some of those missing teeth. Also, for bios like Missoni, we need a {{succession box}}, especially as we may soon have a new Secretary General because of the BSA letter. Chris 22:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added a succession box using {{s-start}} and {{s-npo|wosm}}. The WSC removed Missoni yesterday, but he is still incumbent until the end of the month. [2] --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 23:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WSC meeting

The WSC met in Geneva at the end of February— major discussions were governance review [3] and proposed amendments to the WOSM constitution [4]. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 11:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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flags

On the WOSM article, I have concerns about the flags, but I don't know legalese well enough, do they violate http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Flags or are they okay? Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 22:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exaggerated claims of "membership"

The article claims the WOSM has 31 million members. There is no reference for this claim. The constitution of the WOSM makes no provision for such membership. It is highly dubious that 31 million people have voluntarily entered into membership of this (or any) organization. Nation states have the capacity to appropriate people under their jurisdiction as citizens but private organizations such as the WOSM can't just make claims over large numbers of people around the world. On the same basis I could write a constitution claiming the whole world's population as members. It might look impressive but would be of little effect. The WOSM's membership could be composed of the members of the World Scout Conference or the members of the World Scout Committee or just the World Scout Bureau. In what way are the claimed 31 million members constitutionally and legally members with legal obligations to the organization and the organization having legal obligations to those members? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.85.81 (talk) 11:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added a reference for membership. I really don't know where the rest of this is going, but you can read the WOSM constitution.[5] -- Gadget850^talk 17:48, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"The rest of this" is a challenge to the preposterous claim that the WOSM has 31 or 36 million members. The so called "members" are not members at all. Quote from the WOSM constitution:

"Membership of the World Organization is open to all National Scout Organizations which fulfil the requirements for membership." [6]

WOSM has just 161 members!

Hey, who remembers the 1980s, 30 odd years ago? Well that's when some of those WOSM "As at 31st December 2012" membership figures are from. Quality reference for facts Gadget850. Which is more inflated and rubbery, the WOSM figures or your Gadget? 127.0.0.1 (talk) 15:34, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry- can't help you. Bye. -- Gadget850^talk 18:15, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring by IP troll

I'm assuming the same IP troll is the one presently editwarring over the article. I will continue to revert all IP changes that look similar.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From another perspective it is you, Kintetsubuffalo, who is carrying on edit warring. Please check changes before reverting, edit specifics where you feel it is reasonable and challenge with citation needed tags but don't just revert and discard everything including the good and referenced parts. Much of the edit was just re-arrangement. Useful links, including for navigation within the page, to references and to other Wikipedia pages were added. Your wholesale reversion leaves the article on the WOSM without a reference and link to the WOSM constitution. The substantive changes related to the foundation date of 1920 and members of the WOSM. The changes provided a link to the Wikipedia page on WOSM membership which supported the changes and a referenced link to the WOSM constitution which supported the changes. Yet you justified your wholesale reversion by claiming the changes were "uncited".101.170.85.82 (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect foundation date

The article gives an incorrect foundation date of 1920 in the Infobox and first paragraph. This is inconsistent with the detailed information given in the History section which indicates the WOSM was formed in 1922 as the WAISM.

The "First International Scout Conference" in 1920 was not a WOSM conference as it occurred before the WOSM was formed. The Boy Scout International Bureau was funded (mainly by generous BSA supporters) to form an international scout organization. Mortimer L. Schiff of the BSA was the main architect of the first WOSM constitution which was adopted in 1922. The Second Boy Scout International Conference became the first meeting of the new WOSM and the first committee was elected in 1922. WOSM then took over the running (and financing) of the International Bureau. References to the 1922 date for the first committee and first committee members are probably the most common and accessible records.101.170.85.82 (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Already handled by a real editor, thanks Trollberg ben Trollblatt.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:37, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Last shots over the edit warring

Yeh, belatedly. After you and Gadget850 reverted the same change half a dozen times, you decide to actually check the facts and, oh, the editor you label and disparage was correct all along. So how come, in a decade old article, you and your "real editor", whole project group and registered users couldn't get the foundation date correct without my edits?101.170.85.60 (talk) 18:18, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conspiracy much? Gadget didn't touch your trolly edits, I did because they looked tainted from go. When he did correct it, see what he did? He wrote it in a non-agenda, non-POV way like you would have if you were a real editor and not a troll. KTHXBYE.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gadget did some earlier wholesale reversions but then more appropriately re-edited specifics and looked for references to support previously unsupported statements. The danger in looking for sources to support a POV is in what Gadget has done regarding WOSM members. Gadget has used the WOSM data on national scout organization enrolments (some of which is way out of date) and, because it uses the word "members" he chooses to ignore the fact, established from the WOSM constitution, that these 36 million are not in fact members of the WOSM. This is specious use of sources. Further, Gadget reworded the first paragraph statement about member numbers so that it is not wrong but it is vague, misleading and deceptive while the way the data is used in the infobox is just false. To his credit, Gadget went off and checked and eventually came around on the issue of the founding date as 1922 and added sources but that date is what I had contributed several times and and you repeatedly just reverted it for your own agenda instead of doing the research to check the facts. As the 1922 date and source were already detailed in the History section, I saw no need to refer to the source in the introduction. This article wouldn't pass first reading with an academic or commercial editorial board. At the moment it tells a nice story about the WOSM rather than explain what it is and how it relates to the world. This is supposed to be an encyclopaedia entry not the WOSM's homepage or a reference from a friend. It needs more balance and to include relevant information, even when negative of the WOSM. Look at the delay and reluctance to accept just a date change, then the resistance to use unambiguous statements about membership because it would require giving up glowing claims of millions of members, let alone the absolute refusal to allow anything touching on critical of the WOSM. Who has an agenda Kintetsubuffalo? 101.170.213.54 (talk) 10:02, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to lose sleep over what some troll IP says. Yawn...--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia?

With the goals of lowering costs and demonstrating Scouting's commitment to Third World countries, WOSM (World Organization of the Scout Movement) is planning to move its headquarters halfway around the world, from Geneva Switzerland, to Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The move will take place over the next few months. World Scout Foundation offices will remain in Geneva.

I don't have a reliable source right now. -- Gadget850^talk 19:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

World War II

Wilson briefly touches on international meetings during the war, and an International Weekend^[1] Does anyone have more information?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:43, 31 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

to be added in later

Page 10 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 9s The importance of the non-formal education of young people has brought together the chief executive officers of five of the largest worldwide, non formal education organizations under the leadership of HRH the Duke of Edinburgh, Chairman of the International Award Association.Other partners in the project are the World Alliance of Young Men’s Christian Associations (YMCA), The World Young Women’s Christian Association(YWCA), The World Organization of the Scout Movement (WOSM), The World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) and the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies.Today these organizations actively involve more than 100 million young people, and during this century have contributed to the education of more than one billion young people.The group developed and published The Education of Young People: a statement at the dawn of the 21st century. It expresses the CEOs’ belief that it is necessary to recognize the universal validity of non-formal education.The purpose of education as a whole is to contribute to the full development of an autonomous, supportive, responsible and committed person.“Although the document has been a joint effort with other organizations, and although the Statement itself does not mention Scouting specifically, everything in it relates directly to our Movement,” explained Jacques Moreillon, Secretary General of WOSM.This document has been distributed widely within the partner organizations,and presented to top national and international officials with responsibilities for the education of youth. The booklet was reprinted in 1999 to meet continuing demand. The group continues to meet regularly and is now publishing a new document on National Youth Policies.s The 2nd General Assembly of the World Scout Parliamentary Union (WSPU) was held in Manila, Philippines in August 1997. The 185 participants included 80 parliamentarians from 41 countries. The assembly was chaired by Hon. Kim Chong-Hoh (Republic of Korea), the Chairman of WSPU. Agenda items included Scouting’s contribution to national and international youth policies. The keynote address was given by Fidel W. Ramos, President of the Philippines. The Chairman of the Organizing Committee was Hon.Dante Liban.The Assembly adopted The Manila Declaration focusing on the need to recognize, at all political levels, “the universal value of non-formal education for young people, and in particular, the work accomplished by youth organizations such as Scouting.” The new executive committee and officers are: Chairman: Aleksander Luczak (Poland); Vice-Chairmen: Tarek Abd el Hamed el Gendy (Egypt) and Dante V. Liban (Philippines); Secretary: Ryszard Paclawski, Chief Scout of the ZHP Scout association in Poland. The 3rd General Assembly will be in August 2000 in Warsaw, Poland.s At the Jamboree an anti-personnel mines partnership agreement was signed by Handicap International and World Scouting. A special kit containing simulation games, a video, and other programme material was distributed to each Jamboree contingent and sent to national Scout associations. (see page 13)The education of young people World Scout Parliamentary Union Anti-mines project launched - Page 18 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 17s The Constitutions Committee advises the World Committee on all matters of constitutional policy. It also assists national associations in ensuring the proper expression and implementation of Scouting, and carries out research related to the fundamentals of Scouting and other matters of policy. The committee met in September 1997 and 1998 and will meet again at the Durban Conference. The committee considered some 24 constitutions of national Scout associations, particularly in Central and Eastern European countries, and reviewed the constitutions of several regions, in addition to advising the World Scout Committee on a number of policy and constitutional matters. It also worked on the production of guidelines to assist associations that are preparing or revising their constitutions. The Chairman of the Constitutions Committee is John Beresford (UK) and the executive in charge is Malek Gabr, Deputy Secretary General.s The new Strategy Task Force set up by the World Scout Committee in Oslo, met near Geneva at the end of October 1996. It was chaired by former World Committee Vice-Chairman Bertil Tunje and attended by the three other members: John Beresford, Jocelyne Gendrin and Garnet de la Hunt, plus several members of the Bureau staff. It met again in September 1997, and September 1998. Its mandate is to enable the World Scout Committee to implement Resolution 3/96 calling for the development of a mission statement based on the Constitution of WOSM for the World Scout Conference in Durban. In fact, Scouting’s mission is clearly stated in Chapter I of the Constitution of WOSM, mainly under the definition and purpose of the Scout Movement (Article 1). These provisions are perfectly valid and correct and there is no reason, orientation, of reconsidering them or questioning them in any way. However, the wording of the constitution is, by its very nature, too abstract. For example, the word “education” appears in the definition of Scouting, and everyone agrees that Scouting is an educational movement. But does everyone understand the word “education” in the same way? How many associations realize that education means the development of the abilities of the mind and the development of attitudes, and that it is quite different from instruction or teaching? Another example is the statement in the constitutional definition that Scouting is “open to all” who agree to conform with its purpose, principles and method. But how many associations have actually gone beyond the middle and upper-middle classes and addressed the needs of the less-favoured young people who need Scouting most? These are the types of issues which the task force felt needed to be considered within the framework of the Strategy, not with the slightest intention of changing the mission but, on the contrary, in order to strengthen it by making it more concrete and better understood. The task force requested and reviewed the feedback from associations regarding the new kit dealing with the mission-related question of Scouting for what? Scouting for whom? which had been developed for the work on the strategy in Oslo. The document has been translated into several languages. They also determined the ways in which this subject was to be handled at each of the regional conferences in 1998. In view of the success of the outdoor discussion groups at the Oslo conference the task force felt that a similar process should be used for producing a mission statement at the Durban conference. This would ensure that participants discuss the question thoroughly and will have a sense of ownership of a Constitutions Committee Strategy Task Force - finished product, which would not be the case if a draft mission statement were produced prior to the conference.Consequently, the task force concentrated on developing the tools that would facilitate the discussion in Durban by producing a major new document entitled The Essential Characteristics of Scouting, which explains in detail the key concepts underlying the terms used to describe the Movement in WOSM’s Constitution, and constitutes the common ground on which the worldwide mission statement will be based.It has been sent to all associations as a conference document with additional information about what a mission is - and is not - and explaining the work that should take place in national associations prior to Durban. --- Page 22 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 21 WORLD SCOUT BUREAUs The World Scout Bureau is the secretariat of the World Organization and the executive arm of the World Scout Committee. It responds to requests from the World Conference and individual member organizations. The Bureau operates under the overall responsibility of Dr. Jacques Moreillon, Secretary General of the World Organization of the Scout Movement. The World Bureau is headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland, and it has offices in six regions. The Geneva office is organized into two divisions: Educational Methods, headed by Deputy Secretary General Malek Gabr, and Finance and Support, headed by Deputy Secretary General Luc Panissod.s -- Page 16 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 15 WORLD SCOUT COMMITTEEs Within the World Committee are the Educational Methods Group, and the Finance and Support Group, as well as a number of committees. The Educational Methods Group, chaired by Jocelyne Gendrin, includes the chairmen of the Programme and Adult Resources Committees.s The World Programme Committee is chaired by Mostafa Salem (Libya). The committee, which deals with all matters related to the youth programme priority of the Strategy, has continued to work on the implementation of the World Programme policy adopted in 1990 and the policy on the involvement of young members in decision-making, which was adopted by the World Scout Conference in Bangkok. The committee met twice and will meet againat the World Scout Conference.s The World Adult Resources Committee was formally established following the adoption of the World Adult Resources policy in Bangkok. Under the chairmanship of Christos Lygeros, the Committee met twice and will meet again in Durban. The committee developed a work plan to support the implementation of the Adult Resources policy and, at every meeting, checks the progress made at regional and national levels in its implementation.In addition, specific tasks have been distributed amongst members to develop ideas and prepare draft materials on various subjects related to the policy and its implementation. These include: the place and scope of training and support as part of the overall system of the management of adult resources, and the changes to be introduced at national and regional levels to adapt their structure (Training Committees, Training Commissioners, Training Teams) to the provisions of the policy. Other tasks are related to recruitment, introduction to the task, modular training, evaluation and performance appraisal, with a view to gradually introduce, in a non-threatening way, new practices to improve the management of adult resources, as a corporate responsibility, within each member association. - Page 14 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999Page 13s SCENES is the name of the World Scouting project to establish a network of “Scout Centres of Excellence for Nature and Environment”. The concept was introduced at the World Scout Conference in Bangkok in 1993, at the initiative of Klaus Jacobs. The purpose of SCENES is to strengthen the fundamental roles of nature and the environment in Scouting. These are: education through nature and the environment; learning about nature and the environment, and action for nature and the environment.s MINES! An awareness game on the problem of Anti-Personnel Mines was published in 1999 by the World Scout Bureau and the Landmines Team of the Geneva Scout Association. This team of Rovers invented the games and initiated the programme. The booklet explains some of the problems of anti-personnel mines and sets forth a game to help Scouts and other young people to understand this serious problem. The game has been played with hundreds of Scouts in Switzerland, and was used with success at the World Scout Jamboree in Chile.s Together, we can make a mine free Earth is the title of a video cassette containing two productions. One is Landmine Games, which was produced for television by Yves Godel (Switzerland). It reports on the landmine games developed by Geneva Scouts, and it follows a Scout to Mozambique to seethe tragedy of landmines first-hand. (21’ 15”)The cassette also includes Dirty Mine, produced by Handicap International(10’30”). The cassette is available in English, French, or Spanish.s The Education of Young People: a statement at the dawn of the 21st century is a booklet written by the chief executive officers of five of the world’s largest youth organizations: YMCA, YWCA, WOSM, WAGGGS, and the Red Cross,along with the support of the International Award Association. The booklet is available in English, Spanish, French, and Arabic. (The project is described on page 9.)s National Youth Policies: towards an autonomous, supportive, responsible and committed youth, is being published in May 1999 by the group mentioned above. It is a call to governments to establish and implement national youth policies that recognize the value and role of organizations which provide non-formal education of young people.s The Undaunted is a 420-page book about the survival and revival of Scouting in Central and Eastern Europe. It has been written by Piet J. Kroonenberg (Netherlands) and published thanks to the financial support of the late Claude Marchal (Switzerland).s Four advertising spots about Scouting have been produced with the support of the World Scout Foundation and its Chairman Klaus Jacobs, for use on television, in exhibits, etc. Each spot has a theme: Environment: making a difference; Reaching out to marginalized youth; Scouting: Fun... with a purpose; and Peace. Each spot is in short (30’) and long (60’) versions. They are available in English, German, or Spanish.s World Scouting’s opened its Internet site in September 1995 and ever since that time it has continued to grow and develop. Its first purpose is to serve national Scout organizations, and secondly to provide information about the World Scout Movement, and Scouting, to members of national associations, and to the general public.SCENES Start-Up Kit MINES! The non-formal education of young people MINES! - video www.scout.org World Scouting video spots The Undaunted National youth policies

Page 13 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 12 NEW PUBLICATIONS and VIDEOSs First distributed at the World Scout Conference in Oslo, this booklet informs leaders of national Scout organizations how their organization is part of the worldwide Movement, and explains the benefits which come frombeing a member of the World Organization of the Scout Movement. It also explains the relationships between WOSM, one of the largest internationalnon-governmental youth organizations, and other international organizations. (This document is currently out of stock and will be updated and reprinted.)s The Global Development Village at the 18th World Scout Jamboree in the Netherlands was a great success, and ideas from it have subsequently been used at other world, regional and national Scouting events. As a result of these experiences, a planning guide has been published jointly by Scouting Nederland and the World Scout Bureau. It is entitled: How to Organize a Global Development Village. The ideas in this 60-page publication can be adapted to a variety of Scouting events, not just large jamborees or camps.A GDV can be very popular with young people, as well as leaders, parents, and the general public.s Organizing and Running a National Workshop on Scouting for what?Scouting for whom? is published on behalf of the World Committee’s Strategy Task Force, chaired by Bertil Tunje. This document resulted from the working methods used for the two commissions at the World Scout Conference in Oslo. These new working methods were highly rated by Conference participants. This is the first step in the process of getting national associations and regions involved in the process leading to the formulation of a mission statement at the World Scout Conference in South Africa.s Youth Programme: A Guide to Programme Development - Overview. To help national Scout associations update, revise or design their youth programme. This introductory booklet describes the essential steps that need to be followed in the process of programme development. Future publications in the series will describe each of the steps in more depth and suggest practical ways to carry them out.s Policy on Involvement of Young Members in Decision-Making. Based on the policy adopted by the 33rd World Scout Conference in 1993, this booklet provides additional background material. The policy emphasizes the importance of youth involvement in decision-making, both within the youth programme and in management structures of the Movement.s Guidelines for Organizing Scout Youth Forums. Scout youth forums can be organized at national and local levels in conjunction with statutory meetings such as general assemblies. Youth forums are one means of complementing the genuine participation of young people in decision-making processes in Scouting.s This publication is for policymakers responsible for ensuring that Scouting is the rich and multifaceted learning experience that it is meant to be.In a user-friendly style, the 61-page booklet explains the main components of Scouting’s educational system-and, in particular, the Scout Method-and how these components must interact if Scouting is to accomplish its mission. These basics are enshrined in the Constitution of the World Organization of the Scout Movement, but this new publication builds upon the constitution and uses the findings of the independent research published in 1995 by the Research and Development Committee and funded by the Johann Jacobs Foundation. WOSM Serving its Members Organizing a Global Development Village Organizing Scout Youth Forums Involving Youth in Decision-Making Youth Programme Development Guide Scouting for what?Scouting for whom? Scouting: An Educational System - Page 7 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 6 AN OVERVIEW OF THE TRIENNIUMs With the focus on the theme “Looking Wider”, more than 1,000 participants from 108 member countries met in Oslo, Norway, for the 34th World Scout Conference in July, 1996. Nine countries were recognized as new members of WOSM: Czech Republic (1996), Estonia (1996), Latvia (1993), Mongolia (1994), Niger (1996), Palestinian Scout Association (1996), Poland (1996) Slovenia (1994), and Yugoslavia (1995).s Following the Oslo conference, national Scout organizations in the following countries have become members of WOSM: Angola (1998), Armenia (1997), Belarus (1998), Bulgaria (1999), Georgia (1997), Lithuania (1997), The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (1997), Moldova (1997), Slovakia (1997), and Tajikistan (1997). (As at 1 May 1999.)s The 6th World Scout Youth Forum was held in Moss, Norway in July 1996, just prior to the World Scout Conference. There were 116 participants - one third female - from 49 countries. This represented a 40 percent increase in attendance, and a 25 percent increase in countries attending. Seventy-five percent of the Forum participants also attended the World Scout Conference, leading to a fourfold increase in youth participation in the Conference. Eighty-six percent felt the objective of “discussing issues of interest” had been achieved. The working sessions on Scouting for what? and Scouting for whom? were highly rated.s The 10th World Scout Moot was held in Sweden in July 1996. It was inaugurated by His Majesty the King of Sweden, and attended by 2,200 participants, aged 18-24 years, from 78 countries. Evaluation forms showed that participants particularly liked: 1) the creation of international patrols for a four-day hike at the beginning of the Moot; 2) the total absence of alcohol; and 3) the Forum, a kind of Global Development Village adapted to the Moot.These conclusions have been strongly recommended to the organizers of the next World Scout Moot in Mexico, in 2000.s - Page 8 World Organization of the Scout Movement – Triennial Report 1996-1999 Page 7• Violence on the Screen: participants learned about the results of research on this subject which had been carried out with the help of Scouts in many countries, and they watched film sequences to discover the difference between several types of violence.• Cultural Heritage: an exhibition about UNESCO’s work to protect cultural heritage. Scouts in several countries, including Korea and Egypt, are active in this work.• Street Children: this stand was run by a patrol of Scouts from Honduras who had once lived as street children before joining Scouting. UNESCO also financed the jamboree participation of two Amerindian Scout patrols, one from the Huilloc indigenous community in the sacred valley of the Incas in Peru, and one from the Tarahumara community in northern Mexico.

^ John S. Wilson (1959), Scouting Round the World. First edition, Blandford Press. p. 111-112

advocacy

The tone of this page is exactly the same as would be writtten by the soiety itself for a congratulatory book on its successes. Articles written in that non neutral tone are advocacy, not encyclopedic articles. A warning to that effect is appropriate both so those interested in the article can fix it, and so readers will be advised appropriate. I do not have the time to do it myself, but as an initial hint, the first step is to look for adjectives of praise or excellence, and remove them. DGG ( talk ) 21:19, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SOFIXIT. Removing driveby tag until you're ready to tackle it yourself.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Founder?

An editor, Special:Contributions/1.129.96.231, has deleted Robert Baden-Powell from the "Founder" field of the infobox and replaced it with: "The Boy Scouts Association (United Kingdom), Boy Scouts of America, Scoutisme Français, Scouting Nederland, Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium, Luxembourg Boy Scouts Association, Swiss Guide and Scout Movement, Fællesrådet for Danmarks Drengespejdere, Speidernes Fellesorganisasjon (Norway), Scouterna (Sweden), Suomen Partiolaiset - Finlands Scouter ry, Junák - český skaut, z. s. and Slovenský skauting (Czechoslovakia), Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs (Austria), Magyar Cserkészszövetség (Hungary), Związek Harcerstwa Polskiego (Poland), Eesti Skautide Ühing (Estonia), Federação Escotista de Portugal, Federación de Escultismo en España (Spain), Federazione Italiana dello Scautismo, Soma Hellinon Proskopon (Greece), Egyptian Federation for Scouts and Girl Guides, Boy Scouts of Liberia, The National Scout Organization of Thailand, Scout Association of Japan, Asociación de Scouts del Peru, Asociación de Scouts del Ecuador, União dos Escoteiros do Brasil, Asociación de Guías y Scouts de Chile, Scouts de Argentina".

I have undone his edit as I think it deserves discussion first. Although B-P had been dead for 20 years when WOSM was rebranded in 1961, he must have been closely involved in the establishment of the original International Conference in 1922. In the CONSTITUTION of the World Organization of the Scout Movement, B-P is referred to as "the Founder" in Section 1 of Article 1. The list of Scouting associations added by User:1.129 is cannot becorrect, as there was officially no Scouting in Communist nations like Czechoslovakia and Poland in 1961, Estonia was part of the Soviet Union and Scouting was banned in Fascist Spain. Comments please... Alansplodge (talk) 15:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have your level of expertise on this but that seems like a good analysis.North8000 (talk) 18:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article itself states WOSM was formed in 1922 and was renamed in 1961. The "analysis", above, referring to 1961, Fascist Spain and Scouting being banned in Communist nations is just nonsense as the relevant founding date was 1922. WOSM acknowledges Baden-Powell as the founder of the Scout Movement, not the founder of WOSM. The "analysis" above mis-represents section 1 of Article 1 of WOSM's constitution and claims that "B-P is referred to as "the Founder"" of WOSM when the section actually states:

"The Scout Movement is a voluntary non-political educational movement for young people open to all without distinction of gender, origin, race or creed, in accordance with the purpose, principles and method conceived by the Founder and stated below."

So, the section actually refers to the Scout Movement not WOSM, and doesn't even mention B-P by name. Bizarrely, the "analysis" passed over the preamble in the constitution which states:

Accredited representatives of National Scout Associations, which had adopted and practised the Scout Movement founded by Robert Baden-Powell in 1907, assembled in Paris, France, in July 1922 and established the International Scout Conference ...

So, contrary to the "analysis" above, WOSM's constitution clearly states that "representatives of National Scout Associations ... established the International Scout Conference". More basically, the "analysis" overlooked that the article itself already indicated, with references, that (representatives of) the national Scout organizations present at the 1920 International Jamboree agreed to form the International Bureau and, at a subsequent meeting in 1922, formed the International Conference which was renamed WOSM in 1961. The founders are therefore those 1920 national scout organizations. The money for the interim International Bureau came from a Boy Scouts of America supporter and the committee that wrote the International Conference constitution included representatives of the different national organizations so it is not only utterly wrong and arrogant to have ever credited Baden-Powell but demeaning not to credit those national scout organizations.1.129.96.181 (talk) 10:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all the organizations on the list did not yet exist in 1922, and a large proportion still not in 1961. So if you do want a list, you need to find the names of the 1920 National Scout Organizations. This can be a problem because some countries will have sent a representative elected by an ad hoc consultation without legal entity or official name. --Egel _Reaction? 12:59, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a compromise, may I suggest that we leave the "Founder" field empty (I take your point about it not being in the personal charge of B-P). The founding nations could then be listed in the "History" section, but we would need a reliable source.

For future reference Special:Contributions/1.129.96.231, it would help if you explain any potentially controversial edits here on the talk page so that we all know what's happening. Also, other editors would be less suspicious of your work if you created a Wikipedia account. Alansplodge (talk) 17:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds good to me. Infobox lines are simplifications or over-simplificatoins, .....sometimes useful, sometimes problematic. I'm thinking that this is the latter. North8000 (talk) 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

165

This is weird-two weeks ago the link worked-WOSM added Sao Tome and Principe, now I get a 404 error-do you know how to get the wayback machine to find it?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:41, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I get "Hrm.

Wayback Machine doesn't have that page archived.

Want to search for all archived pages under https://www.scout.org/node/346476 ?" via https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://www.scout.org/node/346476 , but it really was there, I confirmed it through Jergen--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Kintetsubuffalo: I'm not denying that it didn't say 165 on that page, but that page does not exist now. What does exist is a page on scout.org/worldwide that says 164. Unless you have a source that says 165 or know of any additional NSOs that joined after August 2016 (as per what that page states) I'm in favour of changing it and keeping it at 164 since I can cite a source for it!

It should also be noted that currently the article say both 165 in the body and 164 in the info box. ~ Ablaze (talk) 10:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's what I am trying to get at-there _is_ a reference, but it's a dead link now-how do we retrieve it? The facts on the ground are 165.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Very strange, https://www.scout.org/node/346476 seems to be working now. ~ Ablaze (talk) 10:15, 26 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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edit-warring by User:Maczkopeti

Per User_talk:Maczkopeti#Chester_and_WP:BRD "don't just reinstate changes people have reverted because they disagree with you. The advice given in BRD is to be followed. Otherwise, you could be seen to be initiating or condoning an edit war." Acronyms are not English words and need not follow the same rules.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Members List

I suggest we add a list of members of the World Organization of the Scout Movement. It's strange that there isn't one, am I missing something? Cheers. Melvin.Udal.Clarck (talk) 01:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It already has its own article: List of World Organization of the Scout Movement members --Egel _Reaction? 14:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] John S. Wilson (1959), Scouting Round the World. First edition, Blandford Press. p. 111-112

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