Talk:World's longest domestic flight

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Did you know... that the world's longest domestic flight, between Papeete, Tahiti, and Paris, France, a distance of 9,765 miles (15,715 km), came about because of the COVID-19 pandemic?

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TN64 flight path

... that the world's longest domestic flight (pictured) of 9,765 miles (15,715 km) between Papeete, Tahiti, and Paris, France, came about because of the COVID-19 pandemic?

Source 1 - the new longest flight in the world

Source 2 - at 15,715 km it is also the longest domestic flight in the world.

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Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sinustrombus sinuatus

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 10:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
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Cited: Interesting:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: I'd just note that "Coronavirus" is one word, rather than two (Corona Virus). epicgenius (talk) 15:27, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hook suggestion

@Doug Coldwell: Here's one:

DYK..the world's longest domestic flight (pictured) of 9,765 miles between Papeete, Tahiti and Paris, France came about unintentionally because of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic? — (165 characters)

You might want to link coronavirus also, but that may cause over–linking issues depending on the reviewer. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Further suggestions

Some sort of indication as to the direction the route takes. When the flight departs Paris does it go over the Atlantic Ocean over south America, etc or the Mediterranean Seam etc. Also a map of the Windward Islands (Society Islands) might be in order, though I'm not too impressed with the one in the article -- bunch of dots in the ocean with no indication as to where in the ocean, and no scale of miles on the map. Wonder if there are any other maps available in the public domain. Just a thought. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Map

Map of flight path is an excellent addition. Is this the shortest route, or did they decided on it because it goes over friendly countries? Would be interesting to know, esp if going over Canada and the U.S. is actually the longer way to go than embarking over the Mediterranean, North Africa, etc. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I made the map from another file already at Commons. Shortest route. Earth is a globe, therefore causing the circular path representation. They had to take the shortest route to make it for the fuel they could carry. I mention that the plane was not fully loaded, so they were confident the plane could make it with the fuel they had. With a fully loaded plane, it probably would be touch and go if they would have enough fuel for a non-stop flight. That's the purpose of refueling = to make sure they have enough fuel to get to their destination.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:50, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Unintentionally"?

Wasn't this long flight path decided because of the Corona Virus and the restrictions in place, making the flight path intentional? Should we strike the word "Unintentionally" in the hook? -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:24, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done - Yup! Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 19:43, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article not just titled "World's longest flight?"

Several of the sources indicate that this is the world's longest flight even without the "domestic" qualifier. Longest flights agrees that none is longer. I'm not really sure this should be an article at all (most comparable things like world's tallest man, world's longest bridge, etc just redirect to the appropriate lists), but as long as we do have it it seems very bizarre to name it after what is really just a "subset" of what it's famous for. -Elmer Clark (talk) 06:57, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Your point is a good one, the "domestic" differentiator is more important historically as they were certainly not the same flight. For the 2 months TN64 was scheduled & operated, I think it was the first time in decades that the world's longest flight was also a domestic one! (Interesting question there actually!). To further clarify - TN64 isn't even the longest 'flight' (ever). It does hold the record for the longest ever flight that is: commercial (not private or military/government), passenger (not cargo or mail), and scheduled (not chartered), or in layman's terms: "a flight whose details are published and tickets are available for purchase for you, me, anyone". For example the Comlux flight in March 2021 between Seoul and Buenos Aires was almost over 19,400km long (!). Also historical record holders of world's longest domestic flight were traditionally Russian I believe, but once technology allowed for nonstop French Republic domestic flights (eg Reunion Island to Paris), it really started to take the cake! So instead of 4+ qualifiers, perhaps just having one extra category of "domestic" makes more sense here as its hard to access private/military/cargo flight published routes! :) DigitalExpat (talk) 09:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An already obsolete record ?

A few days later (the 15th of May), for precisely the same reasons, the Airline FrenchBee broke that record by making the Tahiti-Faaa — Paris-Orly journey in a single 16,129 km flight, using an A350-900 (registered F-HREY). All the sources I have are in French, which is why I'm adding this to the Talk page and not the actual article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.188.60.8 (talk) 07:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Good Point, however this flight carried no passengers, so a different kind of "flight" by ICAO standards. After you comment was added last year, the article now has two subsections under the records, one for Passenger Flight, and one for Cargo Flight). Note, we are talking about flights as in scheduled routes here. Not actual individual flying instances. The topic is largely hard to document outside of very controlled measures. Historically sealed barographs or modern day GPS/transponder tracks are needed to confirm how far an individual plane actually flew on a given day. A very different (yet interesting/exciting) article! DigitalExpat (talk) 08:51, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Page moved without discussion?

Hello all, noticed the page "Longest Domestic Flight" has been moved to "Air Tahiti Nui Flight 64" without any discussion. I'd suggest that this, while very well intended, is a bit disingenious and should be undone. This article's topic, contents, and sections are not about TN64 at all (which I would expect to talk about the route, the schedule, details about the flight like similar articles like Qantas_Flights_7_and_8 or Singapore Airlines Flights 21 and 22. This article is about the World's Longest Domestic flight and its sections are suggesting it (the current record holder for passenger and cargo). This should be expanded his more historical knowledge (the intra-Russian early aviation is stunning) and kept up to date. While TN64 certainly deserves its own page (like SQ21), and more information known about this exceptionally long flight - to do so by repurposing/deleting the the general topic page (and introducing controversy about TN64 vs Flight Bee Cargo flight for example) feels a bit like the poorer choice to me. I've requested the move be reverted and also thought to start the dialog here? Definitely a tip of the hat to all of you who collectively make these articles all the more brilliant. Cheers! DigitalExpat (talk) 09:07, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article is now under its original name of World's longest domestic flight. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:03, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TAP's Lisbon – Macau-Taipa

What about TAP Air Portugal's flight between Lisbon and Macau-Taipa? 219.76.24.198 (talk) 13:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TAP Air Portugal's A340 flight to Macau was big news after the opening of the Macau Airport in 1995, but the flight (during its short life before cancelling), was never nonstop nor domestic, it either stopped in Brussels or Bangkok ^[1]...good thinking though! Macau only had an airport in that window of the last 4 years prior to handover (1995-1999), prior to 1995, only Seaplane service existed. DigitalExpat (talk) 04:39, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Were they the only carrier on this route? (Had there been Thai or Belgian carriers this would have been a case of modified sixth freedom.) 219.76.24.212 (talk) 12:23, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they were the only carrier, but it was always a codeshare with Sabena (thus the Brussels connection). But all operations were on TAP metal (using the range of their 343's). DigitalExpat (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not reciprocated by Air Macau? When did Macau start issuing their own AOCs instead of Portuguese ones btw? 219.76.24.215 (talk) 08:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Air Macau is/always has been a self-described "regional airline", their fleet has never had anything for longhaul since a very early B752 (that still couldn't make LIS). So I see no evidence & no ability to run such a route :) DigitalExpat (talk) 11:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see. But yes the Taoyuan and Kaohsiung routes were for a time more than profitable for them (and for their hub airport). 219.76.24.215 (talk) 09:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No argument there, they run a variety of very popular routes, just none direct to the far side of Europe :) DigitalExpat (talk) 07:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "TAP en Sabena samen naar Macao". NT (in Dutch).

Longest domestic flight

Honolulu to Boston was recently added. 2607:FB91:2D26:C361:CC13:98BE:AEF1:C7E (talk) 11:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2607:FB91:2D26:C361:CC13:98BE:AEF1:C7E cite? HA is the only operator of HNL-BOS since April 2019? DigitalExpat (talk) 12:01, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Propose ReTitling to "Longest Domestic Flight"?

Hello Wiki contributors, had a question, looking at WP:CRITERIA, I'm not sure if the word "World's" is necessary/value-add at the front of this article (since no commercial airflight on other planets to date :) ). Should this article be renamed to "Longest Domestic Flight"? (A companion/follows naming methodology to the other Longest Flights (or now looking at it, should it be renamed to "Longest Domestic Flights" Interested in the general consensus on this one? Cheers! DigitalExpat (talk) 05:36, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are flights from the Netherlands to the Dutch Caribbean Territories considered domestic?

Are these flights really domestic without the need of going through border checks and custom checks? In addition, the netherlands and the territories are not the same country. 嗷大喵 (talk) 03:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is I believe they are indeed domestic for two reasons:

1 - No border control/passport needed for flying between these locations (eg: flying between Amsterdam and Curacao).

2 - Also it is a bit confusing as the "Netherlands" is used to either refer to "Netherlands" (constituent country) as well as "The Kingdom of the Netherlands" (the only sovereign country). So it is similar that a flight from London to Aberdeen is considered domestic but is actually between two constituent countries. Only extra confusing since the common shortened name "The Netherlands" is commonly used for both... DigitalExpat (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] "TAP en Sabena samen naar Macao". NT (in Dutch).

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