Talk:Wood Badge

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FA concerns

Since the version promoted in 2007, this article has become listy and excessively wordy (eg, "Scouts Canada holds numerous Wood Badge training courses on an annual basis throughout the country" - d'oh). There is also uncited text throughout (sample). Dubious sourcing abounds (samples, [1], [2] [3], [4] and more ), missing page numbers on books (sample, Diamond Jubilee Yearbook. Manila: Boy Scouts of the Philippines. 1996. ISBN 9789719176909.), missing publishers and dead links (samples, 2006. "Wood Badge Framework". Retrieved March 31, 2023. And "Wood Badge Framework". Retrieved March 31, 2023.) and more that can be detailed. The sourcing is far enough off the current standards for featured articles that I am listing this article at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: It would be helpful if you could please add the appropriate templates to the article to highlight the issues you've found (e.g. {{citation needed}}, {{better source needed}}, {{page needed}}, {{dead link}}), which would hopefully inspire editors to fix these issues. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for weighing in GoingBatty; I provided a considerable list of samples above. At the level of determining whether an article still meets WP:WIAFA, a top-to-bottom approach to rewriting by dedicated and FA-knowledgeabe editors is usually more effective than piecemeal editing that results from maintenance tags. This thing needs such a top-to-bottom rewrite for the reasons and examples I provided. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I've been involved in work that ended up being the lead on FA rescues but I'm not so sure about taking a deep dive on this one. On those others I said that I wasn't concerned about FA status but enjoyed improving the coverage of the topic. I think that I'd be up for that again but since the issues on this one look more like meticulous FA items I think that my kind of work would be secondary on this one. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:29, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia, GoingBatty, and North8000: A year after this conversation, this article still has major concerns with unsourced paragraphs and MOS:OVERSECTION in the "International training centers and trainers" section. Are any of you interested in improving the article to meet the FA criteria or nominating it for WP:FAR? Z1720 (talk) 15:41, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Not I :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: Nor I. Have you tried reaching out to those editors who added the unsourced sections? GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: I will not be doing that as I prefer to spend my wikitime elsewhere. If other editors want to improve the article to bring it back to FA standards, I encourage them to do so. If not, this should go to FAR. Z1720 (talk) 04:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for asking. I'll go do some work there but my May 23 2023 post above describes where I'm at regarding this. North8000 (talk) 12:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

American or British English

Evrik tells me that this article is written in American English. Having spent a little time in the US and the last 30 years in Australia, although I spent the first 50 years of my live in Britain, I am somewhat confused about the differences between American and British English. Since the Wood Badge started in Britain, should not this article be written in British English. I was confused by his edit asserting that the article was written in American English. Perhaps it should be changed to British English, although I think we stick to which ever English was used to start the article. I do not see the need to assert that it is written in American English, which he recently added. The article is quiet old and I do not think it has been an issue. --Bduke (talk) 01:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

• An IP editor recently tried changing the spellings. I thought we should label the article. I don't care dialect we use, but let's be deliberate. FWIW, I believe it to be in American English. --evrik ^(talk) 02:32, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

As I understand it, our convention is to stick to the first language dialect that an article was written in. The very first versions of this article contained the word Bootlace, which is British English. That word is no longer in the article, but to find another word/spelling might be a challenge. British English seems to be the way we should be going. HiLo48 (talk) 03:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

There is also a separate article - Wood Badge (Boy Scouts of America). --Bduke (talk) 10:26, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

When and article is an "edge case" I lean a bit towards US English because it's more common with the readers. But "Wood Badge started in Britain" would weigh in in the opposite direction. Either way would be cool with me. North8000 (talk) 13:10, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Was it bias and did it provide enough useful information?

I believe that the article was unbiased and was very helpful to anyone who would be searching into this topic. I believe that this article was very well written and had a strong beginning all the way until the end. It gave very much needed and helpful information and history about the badge. The article includes images, bullet points, links, and more to help enhance the readers chance of understanding the topic of the article better and even showing them about related topics to help understand better. I do believe that the overall status of the article was very well composed other than that I had to select four different subtopics before ending in this article. It was put way deep down in the academic disciplines. B9MC3 (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2024 (UTC)