Talk:Wiseman (song)

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Review: January 7, 2024. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Wiseman (song) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 November 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that although Quentin Tarantino thought "Wiseman" was "fantastic", he could not find a scene for it in his film Django Unchained?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 20:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that even though Quentin Tarantino thought the song "Wiseman" was "fantastic", he didn't include it in his film Django Unchained because he felt there wasn't a scene for it? Source: https://pitchfork.com/news/48782-quentin-tarantino-explains-why-frank-ocean-isnt-on-the-django-unchained-soundtrack/
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Created by ULPS (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 10 October 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wiseman (song); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'll take this one. Note that this is my first review. Clyde _{[trout needed]} 23:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: ULPS, pending QPQ, unless this is your fifth or earlier nomination. Clyde _{[trout needed]} 23:16, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, did some digging and this is only nom's 4th one. In the future, please specify this. Clyde _{[trout needed]} 23:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's my bad, I thought there was a thing that automatically checked it. I'll start reviewing from now anyway, good thing too because I'll definitely forget to specify :) ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Wiseman (song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: TechnoSquirrel69 (talk · contribs) 23:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there, ULPS! Happy to take this review, as this looks like an interesting article. Comments forthcoming either today or tomorrow. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:52, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Lead

sometimes called → also known as
2023, after → 2023 after
Coachella → the Coachella music festival

Background

the Quentin Tarantino directed Django Unchained → the film Django Unchained, directed by Quentin Tarantino. At the very least, "the Quentin Tarantino–directed film Django Unchained ".
"However, a Frank ... December 18, 2012." This is phrased a bit awkwardly and reads almost like original research written in Wikipedia's voice. How about something simpler like "However, Tarantino cut the song from the film's score, saying that he thought ..."?
~~Elaborating,~~
django → Django. In general, uncommon capitalization like this can be silently corrected.
See my comment below. I didn't see any other source that mentioned Southpaw, so this sentence probably has to be removed. What's more, "Wiseman" isn't listed on the soundtrack album.
"Ocean's ~~controversial~~ headlining performance" This descriptor isn't sourced and is barely relevant to the topic of this article.

Composition and themes

"Django Unchained" and "Quentin Tarantino" are duplicate links. Tarantino can just be referred to by his last name.
The "timeless" quote is an interpretative statement by the writer of that article, and so needs to be attributed to them.
"family, reincarnation and strength" is a direct quote and, again, needs to be attributed. Make sure you don't create duplicate links or introductions of the writers when attributing these two.
See my comment below. Since these interpretations don't seem to be supported by any other sources, the second paragraph probably has to be removed, unfortunately.

Critical reception

Which quote from the American Songwriter article backs up the statement that the writer "commended the emotional depth"?
Totally optional, but since this article has no media outside of the infobox, consider adding a sample of the song. You could pick a small section at your discretion, possibly illustrating the balladic style or the "contemplative lyrics".

No clue where I got that from, probably from some article I mixed it up with. Replaced with something else, let me know if the current version is fine. I'll also see about adding a sample when I get the time, but probably not right now (I've never actually uploaded an audio sample to Wikipedia, I'll have to see about how to do it). ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Citation numbers from this revision.

The most important one: citation 5 appears to be an unreliable source. According to WYBC's About page, the site is run by students with no editorial oversight, making the source self-published.
In citation 1: GQ's → GQ's (''GQ''{{'s}})
In citations 2, 3, 11, and 12: Django Unchained/'Django Unchained' → Django Unchained
In citation 7: For All the Dogs → For All the Dogs
In citation 9: "Wiseman" → 'Wiseman'

For WYBC, I could've sworn I saw some page on their site saying they had some oversight, but guess not. Axed everything sourced directly to them, unfortunate. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:12, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Result

Nice work on this one, ULPS! Apart from my sourcing conern, all of my other comments should be pretty straightforward and low-effort tweaks. Feel free to reply to my comments in line (don't strike them out, please!), and let me know if you have any questions! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:34, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoSquirrel69: Got everything I think :) ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 03:15, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, this is looking pretty good! A final optional comment: since § Composition and themes is unfortunately a lot shorter now, I would consider merging it with § Background. The prose should flow a little better that way, and it would have better optics than a somewhat stumpy three-sentence section. Also, if I'm being real nitpicky about it, a lot of the content in § Background (such as the unofficial releases on Tumblr and the bootleg vinyl) is not really "background" material, so maybe the section could be better titled "Composition and release" or something. Up to you to do as much or as little of that as you like, though.

Thanks for all your good work on this nomination; I'm pleased to

pass this as a good article, congratulations! Your 35 points in the WikiCup await, and almost certainly 200 more if you ever decide to bring this to FAC.

By the way, about the sample, I'm actually a musician off-wiki and have some experience uploading audio files to Wikipedia, so feel free to reach out if I can be of any help later on! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.