Talk:William Sackville, Lord Buckhurst

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Move proposed[edit]

I believe this article is mistitled, and should be moved to either of these non-ambiguous possibilities: William Herbrand Thomas Sackville or William Herbrand Thomas Sackville, Lord Buckhurst.

The current article title, William Sackville, Lord Buckhurst, is needlessly ambiguous. It applies to other people in his family:

His father and grandfather were both named William Sackville, and were both called Lord Buckhurst before becoming Earls.
His son William will probably be styled Lord Buckhurst (but may not be notable when he takes that courtesy title).

Note also that the subject of the article isn't commonly known as "William Sackville, Lord Buckhurst." Look at all of the references concerning his work in the City of London, which establish that in his professional career, he is called William Buckhurst.

WP:NCPEER doesn't strictly apply because he is not a peer. Note that he's not Baron Buckhurst; that's a subsidiary title of his father, William Sackville, 11th Earl De La Warr. "Lord Buckhurst" is a courtesy style, not a title in the peerage. He's a member of the nobility, the son and heir of a peer. He will become a peer upon the death of his father, and at that time, this article will need to be moved to William Sackville, 12th Earl De La Warr. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Editor FIN: any thoughts? Lwarrenwiki (talk) 23:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Middle names are disadvised to be used for disambiguation purposes (see WP:MIDDLENAME). His father and grandfather both succeeded to the earldom and they are better known as Earls De La Warr than as Lords Buckhurst. Although there could be a hatnote in this article to the articles of his father and grandfather. And his son isn't known as Lord Buckhurst yet and when he will be, this article will likely be under the title William Sackville, 12th Earl De La Warr. Although WP:NCPEER doesn't directly refer to courtesy peers, it is common practice to have also the courtesy title of a courtesy peer in the article title (see Edward Windsor, Lord Downpatrick; Harry Primrose, Lord Dalmeny; Henry Fitzalan-Howard, Earl of Arundel; Henry Somerset, Marquess of Worcester etc.). I would either retain the current article title or change it to William Buckhurst, if he is commonly clearly better known as William Buckhurst than as Lord Buckhurst. --Editor FIN (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Lwarrenwiki, if you want to make a formal move request, see WP:REQMOVE. --Editor FIN (talk) 04:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this really worthy?? 2A00:23EE:2040:82C6:29DE:4776:3662:B51F (talk) 22:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]