Talk:William Miller (British publisher)

Putative relationship with Ernest Hemingway

Was Ernest Hemingway really his great great grandson? According to the chart to be found at Genealogy.com, the relevant line of ascent leads to a Margaret Miller (1818-1892), who was the daughter of Jacob Miller (Ernest's great great grandfather) and Elizabeth Dickhaut. If William Miller did not marry Susannah Chapman until 1798, it seems a bit unlikely that he can have been the father of Jacob. Is there a published source to be cited?45ossington (talk) 18:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

In the absence of a cited source, I propose to revert.

45ossington (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Response from Davidghill (talk) 12:44, 12 April 2010 (UTC) William Richard Beckford Miller etc

Well ask before you REVERT!!

I am pretty sure that I am right and you may cite my family tree David Gardiner-Hill on Ancestry.co.uk. The Miller line is a direct ancestor of mine, and I have had some correspondence with good Hemingway historian sources about the link

You quote Crowfoot as a relation - Hemingway historians claim Crowfoot as a relation!! SAME LINK!!

The Buzzard family has a beautiful oil of WRBM and his wife!

Over to you!

David Gardiner-Hill (descended from Mary Dunhill Miller)

Davidghill:

First, I’m sorry if my revert irked you. I did leave my question on the talk page for two days (and a note on your user page) before reverting.

Secondly, if there is a published source supporting Hemingway’s descent from these Millers, I should be delighted. Thomas Miller (being a literary and stubbornly independent fellow) would make a very appropriate relation for the novelist.

Thirdly, if there are published accounts of the connection by Hemingway historians, that would be great – can you cite any of them? I do not doubt that your family tree on Ancestry.co.uk is an admirably accurate record (and I certainly couldn’t tell you where it might be incorrect), but the criterion for inclusion in Wikipedia is not truth but verifiability, and your family tree unfortunately falls foul of WP:SELFPUBLISH, as a self-published source.

Fourthly, I understand from your account that Hemingway was not in fact the great-great-grandson of William Miller as your earlier edit suggested, but only a cousin. But I have no objection to including the link, if a suitable published reference can be found.

45ossington (talk) 14:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

if you email david at gardiner-hill dot org with your email, I will invite you to my tree on ancestry, you can tell me where it is incorrect. I will also send you a relationship chart - which you can publish - they are 1st cousins 4 x removed

WRBM son of Thomas M 1731 son of Thomas M and Eliz Bacon

Ernest Miller Hemingway son of Grace Ernestine Hall dau of Ernest Miller Hall son of Mary Dunhill Miller (of Dunhill's Pontefract cakes!!) dau of William Edward Miller 1766 son of Edward Miller 1735 son of Thomas M and Eliz Bacon

THis note also relates "History Writer" <hbv2061@aol.com> wrote in message news:3943286.0410221842.392194bb@posting.google.com...

| Thank you for your interesting posting. I have studied the Hemingway | family for many years since I know many of writer Ernest Miller | Hemingway's close relatives. However, Frank Randall Hemingway does | not even appear in the genealogy book by Ernest's sister-in-law (and | adoptive first cousin) Patricia Shedd Hemingway, who was Ernest's | younger brother Leicester's first wife. Her book "The Hemingways, | Past & Present and Allied Families" was published in 1988. Through | the Miller family the Hemingways are related to the Buzzard Baronets | -- best known as royal physicians -- who are also descended from 18th | century musician Edward Miller (c. 1730-1807), who Ernest's mother was | very proud of, and from whom Ernest's middle name comes. | | Less well known is that the last woman to win the Nobel Prize for | Chemistry (1964), Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin (1910-1994), is also a | descendant of musician Edward Miller. While some relatives of the | Hemingways in the U.S. have visited distant Buzzard relatives in the | UK this year, the Hodgkins I have contacted do not appear interested | in genealogy. Of note, is that Gen. Frank Buzzard (1875-1950), a | second cousin of Grace Hall (mother of Ernest), was married to Joan | Collier, a first cousin of Sir Andrew Huxley, who shared the Nobel | Prize for Medicine in 1963 with Alan Lloyd Hodgkin, first cousin of | Historian Thomas Hogdkin, husband of Nobel Laureate Dorothy Crowfoot, | whose great-grandmother, Ellen Miller (a granddaughter of musician | Edward Miller), married William Edward Crowfoot. (One can find the | Crowfoot genealogy in Burke's Family Records.) Clearly genius runs in | this family. Also of note is that writer Aldous Huxley, a brother of | Sir Andrew, died in the Los Angeles home of Virginia Pfeiffer, sister | to Pauline Pfeiffer, Ernest's second wife. (As far as I can tell the | Huxleys and Hemingways were unaware of this connection until | recently.)

Descent from William Miller, not his uncle

It seems that the link was through William Miller, the publisher, and not through his uncle, the Doncaster organist.

That means the above text contains several errors. For instance, Dorothy Crowfoot was great-granddaughter of Ellen Crowfoot (nee Miller), herself a daughter of William Miller and NOT, as it claims, a granddaughter of Edward Miller of Doncaster.

William was briefly married to his cousin, Edward Miller's daughter, but she died within a year and they had no children.

John Crowfoot (talk) 04:57, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Photograph

I am puzzled by a photograph dated 1860 of someone who died in 1844. Unless someone can provide clarification, I propose to remove it. 45ossington (talk) 09:12, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

A quick check on the catalogue of the National Portrait Gallery reveals that this is a different William Miller, an engraver who lived from 1796 to 1882. I have therefore removed the photograph from this article. John Crowfoot (talk) 01:48, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

The portrait now shown of William Miller is undoubtedly that of the publisher himself. It is dated 1826, i.e. the year when he made a second venture into publishing. John Crowfoot (talk) 04:49, 27 March 2017 (UTC)