Talk:William Edward Sanders

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More info at Find-A-Grave. Lincher 21:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:William Edward Sanders/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 10:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: Zawed (talk)

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 10:10, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

WP:LEAD:

Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Major Point 1: Early life "Born in Auckland in 1883, Sanders took up a seafaring career in 1899. He initially worked aboard steamships before transferring to sailing ships working around New Zealand waters to enhance his career prospects." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 2: First World War "After the outbreak of the First World War, he earned a master's certificate in late 1914 and joined the Royal Naval Reserve. He completed military training in the United Kingdom after which he served aboard the Helgoland, a Q-ship which operated against German submarines." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 2.1: HMS Prize "His Victoria Cross was won in April 1917 while commanding the HMS Prize. He was killed in action a few months later when the Prize was sunk by a German U-boat." (summarised well in the lead) (not a concise summary of the corresponding section in the body, the notability of this article is in this point, hence it should be given due weight.) Major Point 3: Memorials "" (not in the lead, this point is given a Heading 2 in the body, either it should appear in the lead or the Heading 2 should be removed with the relevant content adjusted in the other sections.) Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Major Point 1: Early life "Born in Auckland in 1883, Sanders took up a seafaring career in 1899. He initially worked aboard steamships before transferring to sailing ships working around New Zealand waters to enhance his career prospects." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2: First World War "After the outbreak of the First World War, he earned a master's certificate in late 1914 and joined the Royal Naval Reserve. He completed military training in the United Kingdom after which he served aboard the Helgoland, a Q-ship which operated against German submarines." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2.1: HMS Prize "His Victoria Cross was won in April 1917 while commanding the HMS Prize. He was killed in action a few months later when the Prize was sunk by a German U-boat." (the lead does not give due weight as is given in the body, the notability of this article is in this point, hence it should be given due weight.) Major Point 3: Memorials "" (not in the lead, this point is given a Heading 2, either it should appear in the lead or the Heading 2 should be removed with the relevant content adjusted in the other sections.) Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done "William Edward Sanders VC, DSO (7 February 1883 – 14 August 1917) was a New Zealander recipient of the Victoria Cross (VC), the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces." Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies: NA Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons: NA Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

WP:LAYOUT:

Done Check for WP:LAYOUT:  Done Check for Body sections: WP:BODY, MOS:BODY.  Done Check for Headings and sections:  Done Check for Section templates and summary style:  Done Check for Paragraphs (MOS:PARAGRAPHS):  Done Check for Standard appendices and footers (MOS:APPENDIX):  Done Check for Order of sections (WP:ORDER):  Done Check for Works or publications:  Done Check for See also section (MOS:SEEALSO):  Done Check for Notes and references (WP:FNNR):  Done Check for Further reading (WP:FURTHER):  Done Check for External links (WP:LAYOUTEL):  Done Check for Links to sister projects:  Done Check for Navigation templates:  Done Check for Formatting:  Done Check for Images (WP:LAYIM):  Done Check for Links:  Done Check for Horizontal rule (WP:LINE):  Done

WP:WTW:

Done Check for WP:WTW:  Done Check for Words that may introduce bias:  Done Check for Puffery (WP:PEA):  Done Check for Contentious labels (WP:LABEL):  Done Check for Unsupported attributions (WP:WEASEL):  Done Check for Expressions of doubt (WP:ALLEGED):  Done Check for Editorializing (MOS:OPED):  Done Check for Synonyms for said (WP:SAY):  Done Check for Expressions that lack precision:  Done Check for Euphemisms (WP:EUPHEMISM):  Done Check for Clichés and idioms (WP:IDIOM):  Done Check for Relative time references (WP:REALTIME):  Done Check for Neologisms (WP:PEA): None Check for Offensive material (WP:F***):  Done Check for WP:MOSFICT:  Done Check for Real-world perspective (WP:Real world):  Done Check for Primary and secondary information (WP:PASI):  Done Check for Contextual presentation (MOS:PLOT):  Done

WP:EMBED:
Done Prose is preferred over list (WP:PROSE): Check for Tables (MOS:TABLES):

2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google. Cross-checked with the other A-class articles.)

WP:RS:

Done Check for WP:RS:  Done Cross-checked with the other A-class articles: Howard Kippenberger, Herbert Ernest Hart, Alexander Godley, William George Malone, Frank Worsley Check for the material (WP:RSVETTING): (contentious)  Done Is it contentious?: Yes Does the ref indeed support the material?: Check for the author (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Who is the author?: Does the author have a Wikipedia article?: What are the author's academic credentials and professional experience?: What else has the author published?: Is the author, or this work, cited in other reliable sources? In academic works?: Check for the publication (WP:RSVETTING):  Done Check for Self-published sources (WP:SPS):

WP:MINREF:
Done Check for inline citations WP:MINREF:  Done Check for Direct quotations:  Done Check for Likely to be challenged:  Done Check for Contentious material about living persons (WP:BLP): NA

• c. No original research:  Done

WP:NOR:
Done Check for primary sources (WP:PRIMARY):  Done Check for synthesis (WP:SYN):  Done Check for original images (WP:OI):  Done

3: Broad in its coverage

a. Major aspects:

Done Cross-checked with the other A-class articles: Howard Kippenberger, Herbert Ernest Hart, Alexander Godley, William George Malone, Frank Worsley Check for Article scope as defined by reliable sources: Check for The extent of the subject matter in these RS: Check for Out of scope: Check for The range of material that belongs in the article: Check for All material that is notable is covered: Check for All material that is referenced is covered: Check for All material that a reader would be likely to agree matches the specified scope is covered: Check for The most general scope that summarises essentially all knowledge: Check for Stay on topic and no wandering off-topic (WP:OFFTOPIC):

b. Focused:
Done Check for Readability issues (WP:LENGTH): Check for Article size (WP:TOO LONG!):

4: Neutral

WP:NPOV:

Done 4. Fair representation without bias:  Done Check for POV (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for naming (WP:POVNAMING):  Done Check for structure (WP:STRUCTURE):  Done Check for Due and undue weight (WP:DUE):  Done Check for Balancing aspects (WP:BALASPS):  Done Check for Giving "equal validity" (WP:VALID):  Done Check for Balance (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Impartial tone (WP:IMPARTIAL):  Done Check for Describing aesthetic opinions (WP:SUBJECTIVE):  Done Check for Words to watch (WP:YESPOV):  Done Check for Attributing and specifying biased statements (WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV):  Done Check for Fringe theories and pseudoscience (WP:PSCI): None Check for Religion (WP:RNPOV): None

5: Stable: No edit wars, etc: Yes

6: Images  Done (PD)

Images:

Done 6: Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:  Done Check for copyright tags (WP:TAGS):  Done Check for copyright status:  Done Check for non-free content (WP:NFC):  Done Check for valid fair use rationales (WP:FUR):  Done 6: Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:  Done Check for image relevance (WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE):  Done Check for Images for the lead (WP:LEADIMAGE):  Done Check for suitable captions (WP:CAPTION):  Done

Zawed, I'm very happy and inspired to see your work here. I do have some insights based on the above checklist that I think will improve the article:

• I think the lead can be improved in order to provide an accessible overview and to give relative emphasis.

Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. Please feel free to strike out any recommendation from this review which you think will not help in improving the article which is our main aim here. All the best, --Seabuckthorn ♥ 06:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• Seabuckthorn, many thanks for the review. That is an extensive and no doubt time-consuming checklist you have worked through there. I have revised both the lead and section headings in response to your comments. Let me know if you believe the lead still does not accurately reflect the body of the article or place appropriate weight on the VC. Cheers. Zawed (talk) 08:27, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

• The lead looks perfect now! Thanks, Zawed, very much for your diligence, care and precision in writing such great articles. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 09:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Promoting the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 09:35, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Common name

Kia ora Zawed (and other interested editors), I thought I'd point out that the person's common name is William Sanders. Do you know how to determine the common name from a DNZB entry? I'm working my way through this list and have yet to find an entry where they've got the common name wrong.

That all said, he's obviously got a gravestone in Purewa Cemetery (Block F Row 44 Plot 221). Here's a photo of it. Worth adding to the article? Schwede66 04:55, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

kinda...

He was killed in action when Prize was sunk by a U-boat on her fourth patrol. supposedly the word her between on and fourth is his! 2404:8000:1027:D5FD:68F2:64C5:6A6C:CBE2 (talk) 08:43, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

British usage is to consider ships as female. 'her' refers to Prize, not Sanders. John M Brear (talk) 14:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)