Talk:William Brewster (Mayflower passenger)

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Reinstate content - 26th October 2011

I have reinstated the reference to Richard More, though with less background informtion, and without a separate section. I appealed for discussion on this issue (see below) two weeks ago and have received no response. The additional information is relevant and well sourced. I will declare a dispute if it is removed again. Shropshire Lad (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of content - October 2011

Hi Dranster,

I see you have removed my recent edit referring to Richard More on the William Brewster page.

Whilst you are correct to say that the focus of this article is William Brewster, the page at present makes no mention of a child that Brewster presumably raised as his own. Richard More was on the Mayflower under Brewster's care, as multiple sources attest.

I intend to reinstate this edit, but I am offering the opportunity for you to comment, as is considered good practice on Wikipedia.

Shropshire Lad (talk) 06:55, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

major edit October 2011

This edit aimed to restructure the entry to make it more accessible and to include ref to Richard More and Mary More, child servants who travelled with the Brewster family on the Mayflower. Justification for ta seprate section for Richard More is that he is (arguably) the longest living Mayflower descendant, and his is the only known gravestone for Mayflower passenger. These additional details are well referenced and supported Shropshire Lad (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No references to verify decendents connection or notability

Removed Robert E. Brewster, Sarah Cochrane, John P. Brewster, and Robert C. Brewster from list of notable decendents. Names were added by anonymous users 216.37.64.100 (talk) and 24.118.29.1 (talk). No references supplied to verify that these people are decendents, or their notablity. --KeithB 18:46, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the lines below for a similar reason, they have references but nothing to explain why they are notable. Since they were added outside the collapsable text box, I assumed they were a form of vandalism. This is not the place to list every single descendent, only those who are famous or otherwise well known.

"* Littau, Betty, Carter, SD ^[1]

Hubner, Marsha (Littau), Jesse, Jodi, Jordan, Jamin, Native South Dakotans^[2]"

^ Mayflower Society
^ Mayflower Society 2014

--Paddling bear (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anon edit by 76.187.167.50 (talk)

Can anyone verify or refute this change? It's a curious change. And this is the sole contribution for this editor. --KeithB 16:26, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Birth date confusion

The text gives c. 1566 in the first paragraph; in the next it is said that he was baptized in 1560; the birth category is 1567. LC authority file gives 1566 or 1567; what is the source of the 1560 baptismal date? should it be changed? It sounds like 1566/1567 is probably correct. --FeanorStar7 11:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be a jester playing games. Several other references in the article are showing signs of a prankster. The date of his birth should be 1566/67. digitalbeachbum 11:27, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Death date confusion

The text says William died at Plymouth, Massachusetts but the side bar says Duxbury. Which is it?--Paddling bear (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Prankster Entries

There was an entry for William Brewster that said he was baptised and the date give was before his birthday in question. There also was a entry of gibberish for the location where he had been baptised also. Neither entry could be verified. digitalbeachbum 11:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Mary, Wife of William Brewster

FYI : In my research I have found that his wife "Mary" was not known very well. There appears to be some conflict among researchers on which "Mary" this was; there apparently were (3) "Mary's" from which he could have married after arriving on the shores on North America. digitalbeachbum 11:32, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Mayflower information is generally more accepted because the genealogist are current, well-known and have all been previously published. Mugginsx (talk) 22:17, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

On Sarah Palin's connection:

Ancestry.com was only printing the research results of three leading genealogical authorities: Tom Brown, William Reitwiesner, and Gary Boyd Roberts. All three researchers cited birth, death and census records, as permissible by law, pointing back to accepted printed earlier genealogies.

The material was compiled by Robert Battle and Michael Hurdle, and was extracted from Mr. Battle's webpages at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/palin.htm and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~battle/heath.htm.

Extensive source documentation can be found on those webpages.

--Dranster (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harris self published phamplets

On the More article talk page there was a discussion in which Administrator rejected the self-published booklets of Donald F. Harris as references.

What IS acceptable are Dr. Harris' Mayflower Descendant articles published in 1993 and 1994, which virtually have same information. Removed self-published phamplet of Dr. Harris and replaced with Mayflower Descendant article series. For futher information see: articles Katherine More Talk page or Administrator DGG Talk page. Since the articles are almost identical to the self-published phamplets, no information entered by any editor was lost. Mugginsx (talk) 12:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Mayflowers destination

Please do not change the Mayflower's originally planned destination which was the Colony of Virginia. I know there is alot of false information out there and it is easy to misinterpret. Thank you. Mugginsx (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

New information was not entered in chronological order

Moved various newer paragraphs into proper section i.e., Cambridge dissent and Holland section was re-created. No information was deleted - just moved to its proper section. Mugginsx (talk) 22:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"after about 3 months at sea, including a month of delays in England"

They were either at sea or in England. They couldn't be both. UglowT (talk) 11:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Name list notes lacking citations, and misapplied citation, removed

… and set here. The following were faux references, or misapplied references, for obvious reasons, or the reason given:

Attached to HW Longfellow.^[1] [There is no mention of Brewster as a Longfellow relative, or appearance of the words Mayflower, Plymouth, etc., in this cited work of Longfellow, so its appearance does not support the text statement.]
Attached to James Brewster, coachbuilder.^[2] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to Ralph Owen Brewster.^[3] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to Katharine Hepburn.^[4] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to Doris Humphrey. ^[5] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to George B. McClellan.^[6] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to James Leonard Plimpton.^[7] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]
Attached to Sewall Green Wright.^[8] [Simply not a reference or note by any definition.]

^ Anon. (1883) [1847]. ""Biographical Sketch". Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's "Evangeline," with Notes and a Biographical Sketch. The Literature Riverside Series. Boston, MA, USA: Houghton, Mifflin. Retrieved 24 November 2015.
^ James Brewster & Mary Hequembourg; Joseph Brewster & Hannah Tucker; Simon Brewster & Anne Andrus; Benjamin Brewster & Elizabeth Witter; Ebenezer Brewster and Susanna Smith; Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.
^ Ralph Owen Brewster, William Edmund Brewster, Abiatha, Morgan, William, Icabod, William, William, Love, William, of the Mayflower.
^ Katherine Houghton Hepburn, Katherine Martha "Kit" Houghton, Caroline "Carrie" Garlinghouse, Martha Ann Spalding, Erastus Lyman Spalding, Mary Witter m Oliver Spaulding, Hannah Freeman, Hannah Brewster, Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.
^ Doris Batcheller Humphrey, Horace Buckingham Humphrey, Simon James Humphrey, Rebecca Brewster Humphrey, Simon Brewster, Jr., Simon Brewster, Sr., Benjamin, William, Love, William of the Mayflower.
^ General George B. McClellan, George B. McClellan, James McClellan m. Eunice Eldredge, James Eldredge, Charles Eldredge m. Mary Starr, Jonathan Starr, Samuel Starr m. Hannah Brewster, Jonathan, William, of the Mayflower.
^ James Leonard Plimpton, Sarah Turner Lane, Lucy Stetson, Mercy Turner, Benjamin Turner, Benjamin Turner, Mary Brewster, Jonathan Brewster, William of the Mayflower.
^ Sewall Green Wright, Philip Green Wright, Mary Clark Green, Rev. Beriah Green, Elizabeth Smith, Hannah Witter, Hannah Freeman, Hannah Brewster, Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.

These are moved here incase there is value to any future editor. Le Prof 73.210.154.39 (talk) 04:28, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Parents

Here is a link that does not mention his mother, because according to the Source Citation for North America, Family Histories, 1500-2000, her name is Prudence. He was married to a lady named Mary Smythe as well as Prudence Perkins (also referred to as Prudence Peck). Since it is uncertain which of the ladies would unequivocally be known as his mother, it might be best to leave the "mother" part out for now instead. Cheers, Conspirasee1 (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Information about More Children Unorganized/Inconsistent

Under Mayflower Voyage, the first paragraph feels very out of place. I think it would go better if that information was just added in under the Other Charges section below. It looks like there are also some other inconsistencies of details about what exactly their situation was, but I do not have the knowledge to be able to fix it. Scurfy.twiglet (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Mayflower Society

[2] Mayflower Society 2014

[3] Anon. (1883) [1847]. ""Biographical Sketch". Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's "Evangeline," with Notes and a Biographical Sketch. The Literature Riverside Series. Boston, MA, USA: Houghton, Mifflin. Retrieved 24 November 2015.

[4] James Brewster & Mary Hequembourg; Joseph Brewster & Hannah Tucker; Simon Brewster & Anne Andrus; Benjamin Brewster & Elizabeth Witter; Ebenezer Brewster and Susanna Smith; Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.

[5] Ralph Owen Brewster, William Edmund Brewster, Abiatha, Morgan, William, Icabod, William, William, Love, William, of the Mayflower.

[6] Katherine Houghton Hepburn, Katherine Martha "Kit" Houghton, Caroline "Carrie" Garlinghouse, Martha Ann Spalding, Erastus Lyman Spalding, Mary Witter m Oliver Spaulding, Hannah Freeman, Hannah Brewster, Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.

[7] Doris Batcheller Humphrey, Horace Buckingham Humphrey, Simon James Humphrey, Rebecca Brewster Humphrey, Simon Brewster, Jr., Simon Brewster, Sr., Benjamin, William, Love, William of the Mayflower.

[8] General George B. McClellan, George B. McClellan, James McClellan m. Eunice Eldredge, James Eldredge, Charles Eldredge m. Mary Starr, Jonathan Starr, Samuel Starr m. Hannah Brewster, Jonathan, William, of the Mayflower.

[9] James Leonard Plimpton, Sarah Turner Lane, Lucy Stetson, Mercy Turner, Benjamin Turner, Benjamin Turner, Mary Brewster, Jonathan Brewster, William of the Mayflower.

[10] Sewall Green Wright, Philip Green Wright, Mary Clark Green, Rev. Beriah Green, Elizabeth Smith, Hannah Witter, Hannah Freeman, Hannah Brewster, Daniel, Benjamin, Jonathan, William of the Mayflower.

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