Talk:Wilhelmine Key

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A fact from Wilhelmine Key appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 January 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Wilhelmine Key (pictured) studied wasps as a child, and as an adult she kept them as pets?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/January. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wilhelmine Key.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 23:53, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Key in 1939

ALT0: ... that the key which led Sewall Wright, a founder of population genetics, into pursuing research was Dr. Wilhelmine Key? Source: "Dr. Key brought to us the excitement of research." doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.jhered.a107413
- ALT0a: ... that Dr. Wilhelmine Key inspired Sewall Wright, a founder of population genetics, into pursuing research? Source: "Dr. Key brought to us the excitement of research." doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.jhered.a107413
- ALT0b: ... that Dr. Wilhelmine Key inspired a founder of population genetics into pursuing research? Source: "Dr. Key brought to us the excitement of research." doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.jhered.a107413
- Reviewed:

Created by Lucas138 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

COMMENT, oddly phrased. Doesn't this Wright guy have an article? Johnbod (talk) 17:05, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT, Yes, Sewall Wright does have his own article. What would you like me to change? Lucas138 (talk) 16:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Er, a link in the hook? And describing a person as a "key" isn't very idiomatic. Johnbod (talk) 17:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- How does the new hook sound? Lucas138 (talk) 20:32, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Better, certainly. Johnbod (talk) 21:05, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
COMMENT, 1. I've removed Sewall Wright's name from the DYK so it should be less reliant on the reader's knowledge of Sewall Wright. 2. Not sure how else to indicate, but this is my first DYK.Lucas138 (talk) 19:53, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - Second version is better than first. Depends on knowing Sewall Wright is interesting person?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - How to find this?
Overall: Second version is better than first. Depends on knowing Sewall Wright is interesting person? Some typos, corrected. Good coverage of career and life of interesting person. Would be more normal to give full citation on page of her publications rather than just the title and date. First time I've done one of these reviews. MerielGJones (talk) 19:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Wilhelmine Key

@MerielGJones: as this is Lucas138's first DYK nomination – welcome, by the way :) – a QPQ won't be required for them. I'm not really a fan of the suggested hooks so far because they focus more on Wright than they do Key, although I've left a rewording. I also think that the picture isn't quite clear at 140px, so I've left another suggestion. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 19:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT0d: ... that Sewall Wright was inspired by Dr. Wilhelmine Key (pictured) to pursue his research, which established the field of population genetics?
- ALT1: ... that Dr. Wilhelmine Key (pictured), a biologist, professor, and geneticist, published a paper in 1915 advocating for causes of the eugenics movement?
Thank you for the welcome theleekycauldron. I like ALT1. Switching the photos is fine. Lucas138 (talk) 20:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- ALT2: ... that Dr. Wilhelmine Key (pictured), kept wasps as pets as a child, and studied variation in their coloration as an adult? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 06:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Between ALT1 and ALT2, I think ALT2 would be more broadly interesting; however, I don't think I have a single citation which includes both facts regarding the paper wasps if that is an issue. Lucas138 (talk) 15:29, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- New reviewer needed to check the recent ALT hooks to see if there are any issues with them or their sourcing. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - for the above-noted alt hooks. My preference is ALT2 - I think it's the most fun. Refs 4 & 5 (from the article's current numbering) support the childhood study, and ref 1 supports the coloration study, so I'm satisfied that this hook is appropriately sourced. ALT0d focuses too much on Key, so I would prefer not to use that one. ALT1 is not that interesting in my opinion, but is supported by ref 40 if someone desperately wants to avoid having wasps on the front page for some reason. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 06:39, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Lucas138 and Premeditated Chaos: how would you feel about a shortened version

ALT2a: ... that as a child, Dr. Wilhelmine Key kept pet wasps?

which I think would make a great quirky hook? -- RoySmith (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I don't love that it reduces her to her childhood and doesn't make the connection to her adult work. But if the nom likes it, their opinion should take precedence over mine. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:27, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was worried about that too. I withdraw the suggestion. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 isn't quite right, it seems; the Argus-Leader says she studied wasps as a child, and the Daily Arkansas Gazette says she keeps wasps as ~~pests~~ pets present-tense when she was nearly 30. Any sources that make the connection? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:43, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read either of those. I've got a newspapers.com subscription, but it's still not letting me see them. Could you generate clippings and replace the URLs in the citations with the clipping versions? I think that's what's needed to let other people see them. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Leeky, I didn't see this because I didn't get a ping and it was off my watchlist because it was approved. Can we reverse it? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT3: ... that Dr. Wilhelmine Key (pictured) studied wasps as a child, and as an adult kept them as pets?

PMC, theleekycauldron, the article doesn't say anything about her keeping wasps as pets as an adult; rather, it says: In her childhood she kept wasps as pets and studied them. If ALT3 is to be used, and if it was indeed the case that she "keeps wasps" in her late 20s (rather than as a child), then the article needs to be corrected. This nomination is three months old today, and needs to be wrapped up soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Arkansas Gazette that Leeky mentioned explicitly says she keeps them as adults, yes. Looks like the original creator is a student so is unlikely to return and actually fix things, as he has essentially not been back since November. I have revised the article now. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

cited and interesting, PMC! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:49, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]