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Sources?

nothing is sourced in this artical. were did the information come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.21.143.81 (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very interesting question 7.

The information is held, and any other source of information may both confirm and promote more material.

Would you like to discuss?

Thewolfde (talk) 09:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What was the other parent of Kekaimalu's offspring?

The wolphin's calves would have been either 3/4 bottlenose and 1/4 FKW or 3/4 FKW and 1/4 bottlenose depending on what she mated with. I'm surprised the article doesn't say which. 4.89.245.204 03:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The MSNBC article referenced says it was a bottlenose. I've added this to the article. Rojomoke 14:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article mentions there are two wolphins in captivity, but as I understand it, the daughter of the first one wouldn't be a wolphin, it'd be a wolphinphin, or something. The article in general is a bit confusing overall- it took me at least three tries to understand the paragraph about "Kekaimalu" and offspring, though this might be because of the late hour. In any case, I do think that section needs a bit untangling. -- Sarrandúin ^{[ Talk + Contribs ]} 06:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

I rather think we mean 'wholphin', not 'wolphin'. The father being a whale, not a wale (UNLESS - Jimbo was the father?!?). The raw numbers tell the same tale: wolphin vs wholphin.

-- Tom Anderson 2007-04-25 16:31 +0100

Agreed, 'wholphin' is six-fold more common on the web, plus it's used by all the external links currently cited. I'll make the change now. –Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ps Tom I notice you've made some really worthwhile contributions here (eg); have you thought about creating an account?

The problem with using "wholphin" is that, it implies that if you don't have the whine-wine merger, you would use the wh sound. However, this never actually occurs before o; it's merged with 'h'. Consider "who" and "whore" etc. Still, if it's more common... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.103.66 (talk) 11:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

In light of the above, presumably this page should now be moved to Wholphin. Any objections? Otherwise I'll move it and fix any redirects early next week. –Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grey Beast?

I'm confused by the last reference in the article to the "great grey beast" of sealore. How is it known that this refers to the wholphin? What is the source of this interpretation? I think if it is true then it certainly valid to include it as it supports the idea that they occur in nature perhaps more than thought. However, without any qualification or explanation it seems little more than wishful speculation and is fairly hard to swallow.

Cheers Syounanwiki (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I cannot find a source for this either. Further, I think it'd be very difficult for a fisherman, or even an experienced marine biologist, to identify an unknown dolphin hybrid as being a Wolphin when spotted in the wild. BabyNuke (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found a reference to this fact in a scanned and published book on Google with an ISBN number and real publisher. I feel this may actually be accurate. I am new to editing Wikipedia, so my apologies if I did not format the reference properly. Here is the link if it needs cleaning up: http://books.google.com/books?id=g5bOW53uOiwC&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=wholphin+%22the+great+gray+beast%22&source=bl&ots=5C5IK9AbF1&sig=5u_-L_cHII-xuyDLEOZ8bPz6ui4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=myDtTpnBL6ylsALBrNDbCQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wholphin%20%22the%20great%20gray%20beast%22&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.202.165 (talk) 23:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That book is horribly unreliable as it gets even the definition of a wholphin wrong. I agree with Syounanwiki and BabyNuke – it's highly implausible that sealore would have a special term for such a rare and difficult-to-identify creature. The claim was initially added in August 2006 in this edit by an IP with a history of vandalism. It was removed and subsequently re-added with identical wording in this edit in September 2008 by an unregistered contributor with no prior editing, perhaps copy-pasted from an out-of-date Wikipedia mirror. The book provided by 68.4.202.165 was published in 2010, long after the dubious claim was added to Wikipedia. I've removed the claim once again as the citation was probably generated through citogenesis. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 06:29, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First calf?

It specifies a very young age, but what does that mean for a wholphin? 206.125.94.244 (talk) 00:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC) Who knows? there are only 2...Mannix Chan (talk) 06:27, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Inter-genus hybrid

The parents of the wholphin are in classed in different genera. This is most unusual as nearly hybrids occur between different species within a genus. Of course it could be that the classification of the parents is incorrect. Compare with Polar bear which was re-classified from Thalarctos to Ursus when it was discovered to produce hybrids with Grizzlies. Would this be worth mentioning in the article? Tigerboy1966 (talk) 08:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it seems pretty clear that the false killer whale is currently misclassified. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's somewhat unusual, but by no means unprecedented; other inter-genus hybrids do exist: see sheep-goat hybrid, beefalo, and cama (animal), among others. It doesn't mean the classification of the parents is incorrect, and probably doesn't need to be specifically pointed out in the article. ----Smeazel (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Math

"Although they have been reported to exist in the wild, only one is currently in captivity, at Sea Life Park in Hawaii."

"Both Kekaimalu and Kawili Kai remain in captivity and are now part of the normal tour at Sea Life Park."

I don't understand the math. Doesn't that make two in captivity? Or has someone determined that the calf is no wholphin after all? --87.150.5.107 (talk) 00:13, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kawili Kai is not a direct hybrid between a false killer whale and bottlenose dolphin, so whether she's a true wholphin is a semantic point. Regardless, the former sentence was sourced to a 2010 article, so I've removed it. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 06:36, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

The photo on the page is of the mother Kekaimalu not a 9 month old Kawili Kai 66.27.197.64 (talk) 08:04, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For reference here is the original flickr page. CMD (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Actual age of the wholphin's surviving offspring is relevant to specify

As there's a reference to the wholphin's third offspring being a certain large size at an undisclosed number of months of age, it would be relevant to clarify what that age is. The age is mentioned in the article here: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7508288. The article is dated 15 April 2005 and since the third offspring was born on 23 December, makes it under 4 months of age when it was the size of a normal 1 year old bottlenose dolphin. Or does this information need to be verified further?

Tzali (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]