Talk:White genocide (Armenians)

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This article should be nominated for deletion. there's no such thing. If you choose to keep the name, redirect it to Armenian Genocide, and make a fotonote that it's AKA White Genocide. this makes it look like White People were killed by Turks. If that's not Weasly, I don't know what is. also, terms like "Armenians...never allowed to return" are false. There is a sizable Armenian population in Turkey including the Armenian Patriarch.

the white Genocide in South Africa. or is that going to be shushed up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.20.151 (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

--Oguz1 18:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

shocking that a turk denies the armenian genocide 24.24.213.180 (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

theres already an article on this. plus white genocide is a term that racist kkk people use to whine about interracial marriage and how no one will be white in 2090 69.143.160.224 01:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You seem to be obssessed bout kkk you racist mutherfuker, 2090 you deneck!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.14.141.233 (talk) 14:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The first two comments serve as examples, if any were needed, why those with minimal skill and knowledge of the English language should try to refrain from making comments on English-language Wikipedia. "White" does not refer to "White race", it refers to something that has happened without the actual shedding of blood. Medieval Celtic monks talked about "white martyrdom" (exile from ones homeland) as an only slightly better fate to that of "red martyrdom" (death). Meowy 17:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh please it should also at least be noted in this article that TODAY white genocide is known as the concept that paranoid white nationalists came up with for the process of the percentage of whites in the United States decreasing to eventually 0 through immigration and interracial marriage. This article makes it seem as if no one means that when they say white genocide in today's world and they only mean the Armenian genocide when that is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.115.119 (talk) 20:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

SouthAfrican White Genocide. User:69.143.160.224 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.140.20.151 (talk) 20:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

(talk) How dare you ,paranoid, there is such thing as a white genocide and its multicultrialism despite what the political correct media and educational systems say and whites in America aren't the only white people.109.154.2.203 (talk) 00:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Nothing about the white genocide that is taking place right now?

So, Wikipedia, where is the article about the slow bloodless genocide of the white race?--Imminent Fall of Western Civilisation (talk) 18:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

There are articles on mass immigration to Europe or immigration policies of different countries, i presume that is probably what you are refereing too, it certainly doesnt fit the definition of "Genocide". BritishWatcher (talk) 20:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually it fits exactly if you'd read the wikipedia that you devoutly worship and everyone knows

Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. I wanted to highlight just parts of it but in all it's racial cultural genocide. in russia this is happening every time their is a suicidde attack a bunch of muslims turn up dead. If muslims think they can live amongst society whilst blowing everything up and raping and killing the people of their host countries, I disagree it is not bloodless, You notice hate crimes are only reported if its a white, but never a black, I think all crimes are hate crimes, but the fact that its glorified as hate crime while the black criminal or jewish criminal goes unnoticed for their hateful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2lhmGj2JyQ and another who did it on a temple, what else, this is disgusting and awful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw1OdxYw2MU White women are the biggest commodity in human trafficking, you CANnot Dismiss that their is a white Genocide. As for mass immigration you see it says mental harm as well. and delibately inflicting on the group conditions of life. And when someone argues whites and oil, the entire jewish holiday of Hannuka is based on a war oil. we all know oil to this day has a jewish mans stamp of approval(SantGearge (talk) 06:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC))

Its quite ironic that a page called "White Genocide" is about non-whites (Armenians). The genocide of Whites is real and happening as we speak as Whites are not having children and coupled with mass immigration, we are being replaced in our own nations. This is a valid topic for an enclyopedia like wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KeithMnn (talk • contribs) 18:14, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

In order for what you describe to called genocide you would have to prove that mass immigration and such is being done specifically to destroy whites, and no, the rantings and ravings at stormfront and jew watch don't count. As for the lower white birth-rate, how in the world is that genocide. You calling that a sign of white genocide is basically you saying white people are trying to wipe themselves out. Good luck proving that either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.64.104.4 (talk) 03:29, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I request for this article to include, as a definition for White Genocide, the massive non-White immigration and forced assimilation that is taking place in ALL and ONLY White countries. The cause of it, and the intent to destroy Whites "in whole or in part", comes from the ideology of anti-racism that grips the West. Anti-racism teaches people that Whites are uniquely evil because of history and that there are justifications for making White children a minority in every country their ancestors built. Anti-racists only demand mass immigration, forced mingling, and forced tolerance for White countries. These are obviously conditions which destroy a race, which fits the definition of Genocide under international law. Anti-racism clearly intends this White Genocide - anti-racism says no White anything is allowed to exist and teaches that we must "destroy the White race" - quote by anti-racist Harvard professor Joel Ignatiev. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JLocke420 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

quote at the bottom

"Armenia is referred to by many in Armenia and in the diaspora as the “white genocide” (spitak chartuh)"

This quoted sentence doesn't make any sense. Is it even what the source said? The country of Armenia surely doesn't constitute a "genocide" according to the rest of the article--the term refers to assimilation of Armenians in other countries. 67.187.92.105 (talk) 19:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Silent Holocaust

I am patrolling article changes using Stiki and this recent addition to the page was flagged:

"Silent Holocaust - equivalent term for loss of Jews through assimilation" Due to the sensitive subject matter, I elected to bring it to the attention of the article talk page instead of making a judgement call. Andrew³²⁷ 07:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Racism and other forms of "White Genocide"

Look, this article is about something in Armenian history. That's it. It has nothing to do with this fringe belief. I will continue to delete and revert any content that is unsourced, poorly sourced, or off topic, like this edit. Andrew³²⁷ 19:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 April 2013

This edit, followed by this edit made 12 minutes before the protect, contain WP:FRINGE material unrelated to the subject, yet remain in the locked article. Blackguard 01:07, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

 Removed -- œ^™ 04:05, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge into Armenian diaspora

In the delete discussion, I had first suggested merging this article into Armenian genocide. However, this article does not refer to an event in 1915 but rather an ongoing cultural assimilation. Based on the delete discussion, it would appear that there's consensus for a merge to somewhere. I agree with User:Brambleberry of RiverClan's suggestion for merging this content into Armenian diaspora and making this article a redirect. Unless there's disagreement about my proposed merge, I am going to be bold and do this myself. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Who says its an event in 1915? The article does not claim that, nor do I. --Երևանցի ^talk 21:23, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support as suggestor. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 21:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose The term isn't only used for the Armenian Genocide, but also for the slow "de-Armenization" of Nakhichevan and even for Karabakh and Javakhk.

By the way, the term "white genocide" is used by white supremacists to describe what they claim "decline of the white race" (?) There is a number of books on that and it does seem to be a legitimate term, although racist for many, it is a real term. I suggest we divide this article into two sections! One about the Armenian usage and another section about how it is used by white supremacists. --Երևանցի ^talk 22:01, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

The proposal is to merge to Armenian diaspora instead of Armenian Genocide because it refers to more than just the 1915 event; the first part of your oppose implied that we were suggesting a merge to Armenian Genocide. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 22:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Why would we merge this with Armenian diaspora? As I said above, Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk are in no way diaspora for the Armenians. What about the white supremacist use. --Երևանցի ^talk 22:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

We would merge with Armenian diaspora because the term "white genocide" as used by academics refers to a bunch of people in Glendale losing their Armenian heritage. Please cite your "number of books" so I can tell you they represent a fringe belief and won't be used here. In any case, what does Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk have to do with any of this? Are these places outside of Armenia? Are the Armenians there losing their cultural heritage? Perhaps the academics discuss this. Please cite those references, too. The journals I looked at only talked about Europe and the Americas. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:51, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Armenians use that term for Javakhk, Karabakh and Nakhichevan, because Armenians of Nakhichevan were forced to leave (gradually, over the decades) and Armenians of Karabakh were harassed and many were forced to migrate because of economic conditions presumably kept low by Azerbaijan, while in Javakhk Armenians are often discriminated, according to some Armenians. They use the term "white genocide" for these. Armenians losing their heritage in California or elsewhere outside of the Armenian homeland is an example of white genocide, but Nakhichevan, Karabakh and Javakhk are not diaspora. Armenians didn't migrate there. Armenians living there just turned out to be outside of the current Republic of Armenia.

The phrase "number of books" concerns the white supremacists usage of the term. It's not hard to do a Google Books search, is it? Just type in "white genocide" and scroll down and you'll see a number of books about the white supremacist usage of the term, which has nothing to do with the Armenians. All I said was we can and perhaps should add a section of that. --Երևանցի ^talk 02:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't agree with the addition of the supremacist usage in this article. Sources say it exists and is used by a handful of people, but its inclusion is awkward, out-of-place and WP:UNDUE. Let them start their own white genocide article; it has no place in Armenian history. Blackguard 20:36, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I removed the white supremacist use section, but I'd like to hear others opinions too though. I kind of agree that it is used by a very few people. --Երևանցի ^talk 20:42, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose Because it can even apply to Armenia as well. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

The Fringe theory

I don't know if this is the right place to go to because technically it's not about this article, but could there be an article on the hypothesis of White (as in European) genocide? It is a fringe theory, but it is a trope which has been mentioned by politicians across the West, and as long as it is written in a balanced neutral way, and not preachy or biased, it merits a place as much as Holocaust Denial, 9/11 Conspiracies, Young Earth Creationism etc. Tátótát (talk) 14:11, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

As you may have read above, I'm opposing that inclusion per WP:FRINGE. Just because a lot of people talk about young earth or denying the holocaust doesn't mean we have to discuss it in an article. The larger problem is that those inclusions result in a surge of edits fighting for one point of view or another. "White Genocide" (academically) refers only to Armenians integrating into American or European cultures. There are no reliable sources that say otherwise. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

However, 9/11 conspiracy theories, Holocaust denial, etc. do all have articles, despite the concern about edit wars. But on the other hand, the mentioned reliable source thing does seem to be a problem here, whereas its not with those theories. mike4ty4 (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

The difference is that this conspiracy theory is not sufficiently notable to deserve its own article. When Oliver Stone makes a fringe movie or when Popular Mechanics writes a book debunking it, it might be worth inclusion in the same way that the JFK assassination and 9/11 have conspiracy articles. Andrew³²⁷ 10:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Look at white demographics

The article you're looking for is The white genocide. This article is about the Armenia genocide. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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Governments of the West really are trying to cut down the white populations. Minorities get great paying affirmative action jobs while even college degreed whites are crushed by student debt and cannot afford more children. Instead immigrants flood into our countries! They are trying to kill off white people! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.130.232.239 (talk) 01:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Diversity

The article you're looking for is The white genocide. This article is about the Armenia genocide. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:31, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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I think it's about time that enforced diversity was mentioned in the current white genocide of the west. With the acceptable dehumanisation of the west and white people, can it be added? I refer to the following. http://www.un.org/en/preventgenocide/adviser/pdf/osapg_analysis_framework.pdf Unless of course, you are party, then I would understand why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.110.175 (talk) 17:58, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Etymology

I think it would perhaps be good to add an etymological section to the article, explaining why Armenians call it 'white genocide' (this is never explained) and a disclaimer pointing out that they term (as used by Armenians) is distinct from the term as used to describe demographic changes in Western countries.

I agree. I'm American so immediately I thought "wait, like the Nazis?". I think "white" here doesn't refer to a racial category, but white in the sense of "bloodless". Like instead of "red genocide" which is murder, I think this is trying to say "white genocide" in the sense of cultural assimilation. Like how the White Revolution in Iran is called "white" because it was bloodless. 152.23.221.169 (talk) 18:29, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Article Title Change

Hello, although I understand that "White Genocide" in the white nationalist context, I don't think we should ignore that most English Wikipedia users will read "White Genocide" and believe it's referring to the conspiracy theory (whether or not they believe in the conspiracy). That being said I think the title of this page should include something that distinguishes between the two to prevent future confusion and edit wars led by white nationalists and Armenian Genocide deniers. Possibly something like "White Genocide (Armenia)" or "White Genocide (Armenian Diaspora)". Or if the claim that "White Genocide" has been used throughout history not in the context of race (although that seems like a convenient claim for white nationalists) then maybe even combine the two White Genocide pages with different sections like "In Armenia", "Conspiracy Theory", and "Other Uses."

I'm just spit balling and I don't know the best solution, but this seems like edit wars and confused Wikipedia users will continue until this is clarified. Pokerplayer513 (talk) 20:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Table

This edit added a table, but it seems to me that the table does not belong in this article. The table is about massacres, while the article is about the destruction of culture. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:06, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Violent extermination was already within the scope of this article. Newimpartial (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Misinformation

This page is filled with misinformation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.219.145.21 (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

If you would like something changed, please explain what you want changed. Bowler the Carmine | talk 18:24, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I can answer that. For starters, the introduction defines "white genocide" as "a threat of assimilation, especially in the Western world", whereas the table in the article body lists cases of loss of human life under the red flag title of "genocidal massacres" as examples of this phenomenon (the fact that combat deaths during border skirmishes and assassinations of individuals are listed as "massacres" is a whole other topic). I would appreciate any precision on how the two belong in the same article. Parishan (talk) 18:02, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, the table content is completely unrelated to the topic of the article, which, as mentioned in the above comment, is described as "threat of assimilation, especially in the Western world". I don't see how border skirmishes, for example, could be a threat of assimilation. Also, for each case listed, we need multiple reliable sources calling it "white genocide". Otherwise, it is nothing but WP:OR. I suggest to remove the table completely. Grandmaster 10:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I'm going to remove the table, as it violates WP:OR. As was mentioned above, every entry must be supported by a reference (better more than one) to a reliable source that would explicitly refer to the incident as "white genocide". I checked the references, and none of them mentions white genocide. If I'm wrong, please provide the accurate quotes at the talk. It's been over a month since the issue was raised at talk, and nothing has changed. In its present form, the table is just a collection of various acts of violence and military operations that do not fit the description of the "threat of assimilation". It should also be noted that the table was added by a sock of the banned user: [1] Grandmaster 09:42, 16 December 2024 (UTC)