Talk:White Rose (disinformation group)

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Terminology

The term "disinformation" implies they are knowingly making false claims. There doesn't seem to be sufficient evidence for this in the article. Partofthemachine (talk) 23:13, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, it appears the people in the group believe in what they are spreading, so it is not disinformation. You could call it misinformation, but that word is ignorant and only used by people who think that "truth" exists.

Also I looked at the source claiming they are a white supremacist group and it doesn't say that, another group "call a spade a spade" is the white supremacist group. 75.70.178.222 (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not the group believes in the information they propound is irrelevant. Wikipedia articles don't reflect what the subjects think of themselves or editors own personal conclusions that words like "disinformation" are ignorant, but how the subject is reflected within reliable, published sources. These sources say they're spreading disinformation, so the article rightly reflects that.

I reviewed the source about links to white supremacy groups. It supports the language of "A variety of other conspiracy theories are associated with the group's Telegram chat, including links to sovereign citizen ideology and white supremacist groups." Is there some alternative phrasing you'd propose? Davidwbaker (talk) 23:38, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2023

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The reference of “disinformation group” is an opinion and not factually substantiated, therefore should be removed. The article would have to in detail discuss and explain with facts and without prejudice every claim and act of the group to illustrate that it is in fact a “disinformation group”. The correct statement would be that it is an “activist group opposing COVID vaccination and mandates” as that is the extent to what the article is able to factually support. 2604:3D08:5A83:8300:68DB:3A4A:E467:61B7 (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources. They say it is disinformation, therefore so do we. We don't do WP:FALSEBALANCE. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:21, 11 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that you should be willing to highlight some of the specific claims and how those claims are false before concluding it’s a disinformation group. Shouldn’t you give people the information and then let them draw a conclusion rather than draw a conclusion yourself and hide the specific information? 2A00:23C4:2DB6:AB01:CCC8:D5B8:9F8E:AAC2 (talk) 19:43, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We are not concluding it. Reliable sources are concluding it. To understand how Wikipedia works, read the rules starting with WP:RS. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:24, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove protected status of page

Why is this a protected wiki page? I imagine there are many people with different information and insight into the group and it’s claims, why not let others contribute? 2A00:23C4:2DB6:AB01:CCC8:D5B8:9F8E:AAC2 (talk) 19:45, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The page was protected in early 2022 after a bunch of disruptive edits. You are welcome to request specific changes here on the talk page. Please be sure any changes you propose are supported by a link to a reliable source. Squeakachu (talk) 20:08, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]