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I previously removed a reference to Sterling Holloway (as the voice of the White Rabbit from the 1951 Disney film), because a perusal both of his page in Wikipedia and in IMDB indicate that he was the voice of the Cheshire Cat; neither says anything about him also being the voice of the White Rabbit. Unless this is documented to be correct, I think I should remove it again. --Markjoseph125 18:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matrix ?

What's about The Matrix ? "Follow the white rabbit" just in the beginning of the movie. It's known to be a constant parallel to Alice in Wonderland, but maybe it could be added - Chase 84.60.201.51 22:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good Luck-A co=worker of mine practices the habit of saying 'White Rabbit' to people on the first of every month believeing that if he says it first he will have good luck all month.

Nearly pointless article

The main content of this article serves as a tip-of-the-hat to things influenced by the White Rabbit; this seems pretty pointless. At the same time it seems rash to delete the entire thing; any suggestions on how to make this a better article? Quaeler (talk) 14:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (July 2010)

Disruptive move request by user voting more than once when there was clear consensus last time they asked.

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The result of the proposal was: Not Moved. Station1 (talk) 00:17, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit → White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland) — A White Rabbit is a white rabbit. Move as requested. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 02:11, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ white rabbit should be what's found, although a discussion on WikiPedia policy about capital lettering used as a discriminator is going on... 75.142.152.104 (talk) 02:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Wikipedia article titles are case sensitive. A white rabbit is a white rabbit. White Rabbit is a proper noun referring to a specific white rabbit. (Proper nouns are capitalized in English. Common nouns are not.) A disambiguation link should guide readers who typed the phrase with capitals to the correct page.--Srleffler (talk) 03:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support several entries on the "white rabbit" dab page are for "White Rabbit" (capitalized). Though I don't think the target is all that good. White Rabbit (Alice in Wonderland) or White Rabbit (Lewis Carroll) would be much better. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 03:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I believe this is the primary topic for "White Rabbit". Powers ^T 11:50, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is the primary topic for the capitalised name White Rabbit, in fact it's the only common meaning, so there's nothing to disambiguate. Andrewa (talk) 12:40, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose primary topic. --RegentsPark (talk) 22:46, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~ redirecting to white rabbit 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:15, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
White rabbit is a disambiguation page with no obvious primary target. Until that is sorted out, the present title of this article makes sense because at least we have a proper article here. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Except that this isn't the primary usage of "White Rabbit" either, so it should redirect to the dab page. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - The purpose of dab pages is to get people to articles. No prejudice on a move/redirect once there is a proper article to redirect them to, but we don't send people to nonexistent pages just because of a feeling that a subject we don't currently cover might be the primary use. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Put it this way, on the dab page are all more likely targets than the current article at this name, so it is not the proper target, whatever the case, so should be a dab page. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - We do not create dab pages in advance for random words in the English language, nor redirect pages to them based on abstract concepts of what might be more likely. When there is a real reason to believe out editors will benefit from being sent to a different page then so be it. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:25, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment user 75.142.152.104 is the nominator, this appears to be a duplicate !vote. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 04:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - What it appears to be is multiple personality disorder. The IP appears to be arguing with itself. Powers ^T 18:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~. This is not the primary usage of "White Rabbit", so this should redirect to the disambiguation page. 75.142.152.104's argument isn't coherent: there already is a disambiguation page for White rabbit, and it already does "get people to articles". 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:27, 24 July (UTC)
- Comment this is a duplicate !vote by user 75.142.152.104, who also happens to be the nominator. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 04:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~. Although the current situation is relatively harmless, I agree that "White White" is a common enough spelling of white rabbit that the Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is not the primary topic. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What in the sam hill are you doing? Powers ^T 21:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support~~ "White Rabbit" is an alternate spelling for "white rabbit", and should redirect to the more likely values, and this is not one of the more likely values. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 20:11, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I've struck out your !votes, as you are the nominator and you can't just keep adding "Support" entries. Let others have their say. Powers ^T 21:29, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Agree with this action. Although it may not be completely safe to assume that these votes are by the same person, we really have no choice. Even if there are multiple users voting here and even if they were each to each create a userid, then unless they use different IPs at least occasionally, we'd have to disallow their votes anyway as likely sock puppets. That might not be an ideal response but it's the best we've been able to come up with over the years. Andrewa (talk) 03:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: There is a clear distinction between the disambiguated term White rabbit and the AiW character the White Rabbit. Suggest this discussion be snowball closed. – ukexpat (talk) 15:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (August 2010)

Disruptive move request by user voting more than once when there was clear consensus last time they asked.

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The result of the proposal was non admin speedy closure, no move. Strong consensus was reached only a month ago - same nominator appears to be bringing up the same issue again. Clear consensus to speedy close. --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 18:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit → White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland) —Relisted. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article is named incorrectly. The character is called White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland), and it currently features. I propose renaming the article White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland). 75.142.152.104 (talk) 00:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy close and caution the contributor. No change to the previous nomination which was almost unanimously rejected, unless you count multiple votes by the same IP address which raised both RMs. Enough is enough. Andrewa (talk) 09:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I should also point out that this IP has a history of contributions which fall short of being disruptive enough to of themselves justify a block, but which are completely unjustified and unproductive, such as this one. Andrewa (talk) 15:46, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. No need for disambiguation. But it may simplify things for some readers if white rabbit goes to white rabbit (disambiguation). Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- No per above, no no need for disambiguation and no but it may simplify things for some readers if white rabbit goes to white rabbit (disambiguation)! Because if we don't consensus to the page, if you don't help us there won't be any against anymore. There won't be anything. Nothing, no oppose, no speedy close, no comment, nobody left forever and ever. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 16:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and agree with Speedy close. The article has a very nice dab hatnote that adequately provides for other uses. I do suppose that it is a cultural bias that makes this the primary usage, but that is true of all primary uses. Perhaps, in justification of the making of the proposal, the proposer grew up in a culture that did not honor Lewis Carroll and his work as highly as mainstream English-speaking culture does. --Bejnar (talk) 21:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: That may all be true, but the user talk page of the IP, their contibution history, and particularly their behaviour in the previous RM above suggest another explanation. We must assume good faith, but we must not continue to believe it in the face of evidence to the contrary. Andrewa (talk) 00:07, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and speedy close per above. It is not appropriate to game the system to get the result you want. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose and speedy close. There's really no need for disambiguation for hardly any reason whatsoever. Harry Blue5 (talk) 09:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- with Drawing opposition (see my comments below). Will wait until I see new statistics before considering switching to support. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please note that this comment, by the proposer, was made apparently to support their now reverted strikeout of the vote of another contributor. Andrewa (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support and speedy close. That "White Rabbit" is a common enough spelling of white rabbit. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 20:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Please note that this is the nomiminator (again) supporting their own proposal. Andrewa (talk) 01:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have posted a (mild) warning to the proposer. Andrewa (talk) 20:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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related move request for 2010 September

See Talk:White Rabbit (disambiguation) where there is a related move request. 65.94.47.218 (talk) 05:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another proposed move/rename (mid October 2010)

Disruptive move request by user voting more than once when there was clear consensus last time they asked.

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{{polltop} White Rabbit → White Rabbit (Lewis Carroll) — The "more relevant" article at White Rabbit is White rabbit. "White Rabbit" is an unnecessary modifier for the subject. Moving to White Rabbit (Lewis Carrowl) I think will offer greater immediate clarity as a search term and dab page entry. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 03:03, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the nominator, 75.142.152.104 (talk · contribs) has been warned by administrators about "White Rabbit" related moves. See the two preceding requested moves that this user initiated in the preceding weeks. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the best article for capitalized White Rabbit. --JaGa^talk 12:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close and enjoin the nominator from repeating this proposal that has been shot down multiple times already. Powers ^T 14:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close per LtPowers. IP keeps trying to game the system and needs to be reported. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:41, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ANI report here. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
...and I've blocked 75.142.152.104 for one week. 75.142.152.104, stop messing around - your nonsense has long since passed over into being disruptive. TFOWR 14:55, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The Title: Move request (late October 2010)

WP:DENY

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Is incorrect and should be changed. We are supposed to use the best known name used by English speakers. As far as I can tell, outside Wikipedia, NO ONE uses White Rabbit to refer to the character, they all refer to the character as White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland). White Rabbit is only used the disambiguation page. Keeping this page at "White Rabbit" is illogical. 75.142.152.104 (talk) 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one cares...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.152.104 (talk • contribs)

From your three move requests above, consensus seems clearly against this. --McGeddon (talk) 08:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move? (November 2010)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 13:12, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White Rabbit (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland) → White Rabbit —

Moved against clear talk page consensus, by a new editor; from the redirects and reverts of the talk pages in his contributions, it looks like the editor has had second thoughts and tried to move the pages manually, without success. Needs an administrator move to get the article back in place properly. McGeddon (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(That was me requesting that an admin undo a unilateral page move, at Wikipedia:Requested moves, rather than an oddly-worded start to a move discussion. Looks like Anthony Appleyard has declined and bumped it back to the talk page.) --McGeddon (talk) 12:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. To many people a White Rabbit is a white rabbit is an albino rabbit such as commonly seen in laboratories and as pets, not one particular fictional character. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support move back to White Rabbit - Yeh, clear consensus existed against this move. It needs another move request to overturn the current consensus and to be moved back in the interim. As it stands this is the primary topic by quite a clear margin --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 11:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I should point out that this should be moved back and the move request re factored to dicuss this move. Otherwise it is a case of forcing the issue ;) --Errant [tmorton166] ^(chat!) 11:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close - the user who moved this page is almost definitely that oh-so-determined IP who put in all these move requests above. (We could do an SPI to verify.) If we don't speedy close this and move it back, we reward their new level of disruptive behavior. --JaGa^talk 12:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close per JaGa; let's have the discussion first, and then fix all the broken links if we actually need to. I think it's fine to use capitalisation to distinguish White Rabbit from White rabbit, though, per WP:PRECISION, so long as we link them with hatnotes. --McGeddon (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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related move request for early 2010 December

See Talk:White Rabbit (disambiguation) , there is a related move request that wants to move the disambiguation page to white rabbit.

65.94.47.218 (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes JHunterJ (talk · contribs) moved White rabbit to White Rabbit (disambiguation) and that's why. User:Macr86 (talk) 00:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you the same person as 75.142.152.104 (talk · contribs) ? 65.93.12.43 (talk) 05:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Uhhh, no. Macr86 (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

related move request for late 2010 December

See Talk:White Rabbit (disambiguation) for a related move request, the same as the one for early December 2010, by the same user. 184.144.163.241 (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Related obsequious move request by Macr86 (early January 2011)

See User_talk:Anthony_Appleyard#White Rabbit (disambiguation) requested move, where Macr86 (talk · contribs) on January 1st 2011 directly proposed to an administrator to perform the move request refused twice at talk:White Rabbit (disambiguation). 184.144.163.241 (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The user admits to another of these direct requests to administrators at Talk:White Rabbit (disambiguation) per request User talk:AjaxSmack#White Rabbit (disambiguation) requested move on 4 January 2011. 184.144.163.241 (talk) 04:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I started a discussion at WP:ANI. --JaGa^talk 02:21, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Macr86 (talk · contribs) just tried to delete White rabbit, which appears to be a campaign to hide a move of the disambiguation page from common review. See http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=White_rabbit&diff=prev&oldid=407562310 -- 65.93.14.196 (talk) 06:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Space

There is alot of space inbetween Tim Burtons film and the other references. You might want to fix that. Just saying. -James Pandora Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.168.148 (talk) 18:46, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed.

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"too"

the quote of the white rabbit's opening line is wrong at the top of the article ... there is no "too" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.81.197.249 (talk) 17:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

The article says "Gender: Male", but it's a bit more interesting than that: the pronoun used is sometimes it and sometimes he, and I suspect that there's method in the madness: Lewis Carroll is deliberately or unconsciously applying an animacy hierarchy. Ideally this would be indicated somehow in the article. How does Wikipedia describe the gender of a character that is consistently referred to with it? I can't at the moment think of such a character but there must be one somewhere in English literature that is sufficiently noteworthy to have its own Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lingvano (talk • contribs) 16:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]