Talk:Other White

On November 2016, it was proposed that this article be moved from Other White (classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom) to Other White. The result of the discussion was Moved to Other White.

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Other White article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Ethnic groups Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ethnic groups, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Ethnic groupsWikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groupsTemplate:WikiProject Ethnic groupsEthnic groups articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks:

Here are some open WikiProject Ethnic groups tasks:

Meta-tasks:
- Place the {{Ethnic groups}} template on the talk page of articles within the scope of this project.
- Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution:
Start an article:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests

Feel free to edit this list or discuss these tasks.

United Kingdom Low‑importance

	United Kingdom portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Europe Low‑importance

	Europe portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Europe, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to European topics of a cross-border nature on Wikipedia.EuropeWikipedia:WikiProject EuropeTemplate:WikiProject EuropeEurope articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

amy winehouse

she doesn't look white to me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.160.122 (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree but southern Europeans, many who are mixed with North African blood in them are also classed as 'white other' in the UK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.197.86 (talk) 23:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

She is Jewish, as is David Milliband; European Jews seem to pass under such a banner. - Vespassian (talk) 15:21, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

REMOVAL OF IRISH AND TURKISH GROUPS

The reason for removing the Irish Briton and British Turkish groups are because this article states information about the White Other group of the UK census whereas White Irish people have a completely seperate group due to their large population, and Turks come under the category other as Turkey is widely perceived in Britain to be a Third World, non-white country.

See here for references for Irish people
See here for references for Turkish people

Turks in the 1991 UK survey identified as "white". Do you have any official government statement that says they can't self-identify as "white" anymore? Or just the one reference that says Turkey is regarded as "a third-world country, therefore not white"?--Ramdrake 16:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the source of the statement: http://fpc.org.uk/fsblob/597.pdf (p. 28). And I wholeheartly agree with that. By the way, the government cannot forbid anyone from self-identifying as white, even if they are Mongoloid or Negroid. --Humanophage 23:52, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

REMOVAL OF IRISH

The Turks may remain in the white other group, but the Irish definately have their own group White Irish.

See Census 2001 Ethnic Codes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.167.190 (talk) 15:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics are always flawed anyway. A fair Caucasian looking `British Asian' like Omar Abdullah pictured here http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38325000/jpg/_38325295_abdullah.jpg could claim `Aryan' heritage and self-identify as `white'.

Greek Population

Closer to 400,000 not 200,000. See discussion in Greek Briton. --82.152.253.59 (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish Population

Closer to 200,000 or greater not 100,000. At least 70-90,000 are Turkish Cypriots that arrived since 1974 according to KOTOS estimates. --82.152.253.59 (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Greek Speakers in London

The figure given is obviously wrong since there are over 300,000 Greeks living in the Greater London area at least 150,000 are Cypriot refugees whose mother language is Greek. The figure given must refer to people who speak Greek but don't speak English and therefore require language assistance from the authorities.--82.152.253.59 (talk) 18:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

South Africa

I am shocked that only 10% of south african in the UK are white, IT IS DEFINATLEY AT LEAST 60% AT LEAST! IM SORRY BUT I DONT KNOW ANY FAMOUS , PERSONAL OR BLACK SOUTH AFRICANS IN THE NEWS. you name 1 and i'll take it all back, the figure must be re-edited to around 80-90% —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bezuidenhout (talk • contribs) 19:45, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that a lot of white South Africans in Britain have British citizenship and therefore qualify as White British rather than White Other - or that they'd identify as White British, regardless of their citizenship. +An gr 10:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh

This article does not reflect the fact that the 2001 Census was highly controversial in Wales. For several years people had campaigned for a Welsh tick box to be included but this was consistently refused by the UK government. As a result the census was boycotted by some - the exact number is unknown but must be significant as none of the repeated threats to take Welsh people to court for refusing to fill the census forms actually materialised - whilst others chose to tick the 'White Other' box in protest as they refused to describe themselves as 'British' rather than Welsh.

One could also ask why only the figures for England are given here. Enaidmawr (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

French

Before the current wave of Polish migration to the UK in the 2000s, about half a million French settled in Great Britain mainly in the London area in the previous decade (1990s). A London newspaper in 1995 described the movement as the largest from continental Europe since the 17th century when French Huguenots fled to England. Now the Poles are thought to be the largest non-British ethnic group in the UK, although its proximity to France can be considered. + 71.102.27.81 (talk) 07:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to one external link on Other White (classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/20080528025158/http://www.statistics.gov.uk/articles/nojournal/other_ethnicgroups.pdf to http://www.statistics.gov.uk/articles/nojournal/other_ethnicgroups.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 20:23, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Questions...

will The person mixed of Turkish and british ancestry be count as white british? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nero011 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've answered at Talk:White British#Questions.... Cordless Larry (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 November 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: MOVED TO Other White.(non-admin closure) Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:36, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other White (classification of ethnicity in the United Kingdom) → Other White – Revert move from this title per WP:PRECISE, considering that Other White currently redirects to this article. (Note: This article was moved to this title from Other White in December 2015 with rationale why, so fixing the move WP:BOLDly per WP:PRECISE could be considered controversial.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant move was actually this in May 2015, by GregKaye. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support There are no other articles as "Other White", and the precise disambig is not needed. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 08:39, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support ... though the fact that there are no other articles doesn't mean that Other White is preferable to redirecting to a more natural and recognizable title like Other White classification. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the caps; who is this Mr. White? Many sources, e.g. this book, use lowercase; the caps come from presentations in tables and headings and such styled in title case; we don't do that. Dicklyon (talk) 22:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.