Talk:Whigfield

Naan

Where is the source that naan is Sanny Carlson. I believe Naan's real name is somebody different, not to mention Naan's voice is only slightly similar to Carlson's voice. I know Sanny wrote a few songs for the Benassi Brothers but I can't find proof she's Naan, only that Naan sounds somewhat similar to Whigfield only different. Unless Sanny is also the voice of Yulia Savicheva, who's real name is Chasity Michaelsen. just wanted to bring it up. 23.151.192.180 (talk) 23:45, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Interfering with added info

I'm trying to add info regarding the fact that the real singer on Whigfields first 4 albums was Ann Lee aka Annerley Emma Gordon but this Harout72 is now all over and reverting my adds AND changing the original text on Ann Lee's page which is my source of info. Can he really do that?? Looks like he's on some crusade here...?? What's his agenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nooway (talk • contribs) 23:20, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

@Nooway: Harout72's agenda is likely the same as most editors on Wikipedia: trying to ensure that information added to Wikipedia is cited to a reliable source. Linking to the unrelated Ann Lee page is not helpful. Linking to the Ann Lee (singer) page would be helpful if you also had a reliable source to back up your claim. I'm afraid Discogs is discounted as a reliable source. You need something better. Please see WP:WikiProject Albums/Sources for some ideas of what can be used. Once you do have a reliable source, you can cite it here and fix up the singer's page and the encyclopedia will be the better for it. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 05:59, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Vocals

When do we mention the songs were sung by Annerley? 174.255.1.248 (talk) 11:01, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Why it is claimed that Annerley Gordon did Whigfield's vocals

On this post, I am going to explain where these claims come from and why they are reliable and are included in the page.

The rumours started in the 90s, but they were confirmed in 2021, during an interview on YouTube channel MDT about dance singers, by Mauro Farina, a famous Italian record producer. When asked about Annerley Gordon (Ann Lee), he said, "Yes, yes, my dear friend Annerley Gordon, who also did Whigfield. She lent her voice for Whigfield, and it was a worldwide success."

Source: MAURO FARINA confirms that ANNERLEY GORDON is the voice behind WHIGFIELD and BANDIDO! ✅ (2021) (youtube.com)

There is a confession by Whigfield's label for almost 20 years, Off Limits, that posted on Facebook: "Annerley Gordon, better known as Ann Lee, is one of the most well-known dance characters in the 90s. She wrote together with Ivana Spagna "Try me Out" and "I Don't Wanna Be a Star" for Corona, and participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as Whigfield, J.K., Charme and many others."

This is an official confirmation by the label that explicitly states that Annerley Gordon wrote songs for Corona and then specifies that she was both the voice and author in dance acts such as Whigfield.

Source: Off Limits - OMG! 20 years of "2 Times"!! #offlimitsproduction | Facebook

Sannie Carlson, the face of Whigfield, recorded songs years later, and the voice sounds completely different from the first four albums. It is somehow difficult to compare "Boys on Girls" with "Saturday Night", but if you hear Annerley Gordon singing "Saturday Night", considering that she is a studio singer that occasionally performs, the performance matches the perfectly recorded voice in "Saturday Night" and the accent as well, and that very voice is the same we hear in the other songs of Whigfield for years. Gordon and Carlson are of a similar age. Gordon sounds like Whigfield, while Carlson does not sound like Whigfield when she sings live, as we will see below.

Source: Annerley Gordon (Ann Lee) - Saturday Night (Live Superstars 90's concert, 2020) HQ (youtube.com)

As we mentioned, Carlson recorded songs years later, including some of Whigfield's hits, but her voice on the new recordings does not match the voice on the original recordings. Even her live ad lib does not match anything you hear on the original recording of the same song. This is very obvious in her performance of "Saturday Night" in 2024 in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain. The voice is deeper and lacks any kind of flourish, compared to the original recording. Even her falsetto sounds different. This performance is very important, because you can hear both the recorded voice and the live voice she adds on top of it, and both are unknown if you had only listen to the original recording. This performance sounds like a cover performed by a different singer. Notice also how the Whigfield's songs that Carlson sings live are the least vocally challenging. We have never heard Carlson singing more challenging songs like "Close to You" or the popular "Last Christmas".

Source: Whigfield - Saturday Night (Las Palmas de Gran Canaria - Gala Drag Queen 2024) (youtube.com)

In the following comparison, the voice of Sannie Carlson is extracted from her new recording of "Saturday Night" and it is compared to the voice of Annerley Gordon from her performance of the same song. The voice of Carlson is deeper and lacks the brightness of Whigfield's sound, while Gordon's voice is a perfect match.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWjZ9v7i_s&ab_channel=becuaseofyou

Ally & Jo, a previous project from the same producers of Whigfield, features a voice that sounds like Whigfield, marketed with two different faces.

Sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LUoo5cph7s&ab_channel=SteveWoodford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYCO0-U4xtw&ab_channel=FLORENCOM

Accents can be changed, but comparing “Saturday Night” by Whigfield and “Heaven Is Here” by Favretto e Naan (also known as Carlson); in the first one, the singer uses the voiced /z/ sound where it should be (e.g. in crazy), whereas the singer of the second song sometimes uses the unvoiced /s/ sound where a /z/ should have been used (that applies to other tracks and e.g. this interview as well, even though she does occasionally use the /z/). Also note in this interview how she pronounces the word busy: with a Scandinavian y sound, as mentioned above, a feature that is missing from the recorded tracks. Danish (except some sønderjysk) has lost this pitch accent and developed the stød instead (roughly translates to push or strike and refers to glottal stops). Danes tend to include those glottal stops when speaking English. While Carlsson does not have a very heavy Danish English accent, she clearly has both traces of stød and Danish vowel pronunciations. Strangely, that does not apply to her hits.

Saturday Night Star Whigfield Is Back After 25 Years | Lorraine - YouTube

1990s Whigfield Interview | Kinolibrary (youtube.com)

Some people notice that the voice in "Another Day" sounds different, but if you pay attention to the pitch, you can hear that the voice is the same as the other songs but was speeded up.

Not just does Gordon sing Saturday Night live, but she has not denied that she did the vocals for Whigfield when asked. Remarkably, Gordon excluded Carlson from the credits of the 52 songs for Whigfield that Gordon has contributed to. The other dance acts she wrote material for have the lead singer credited, e.g., S. Chambers.

Source: Annerley Gordon - official website (annerleymusic.com)

On 26 July 1995, Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang referred to a story in Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet. According to the Verdens Gang, Ekstra Bladet claimed that Sannie Carlsson could not sing. Strangely enough, Carlson was lip syncing to Annerley’s cover versions of "All That She Wants" and "What is Love" at a concert in the early 90s. Whigfield had only released two songs at the time. Gordon, who co-wrote many of Whigfield's songs, has recently started to like comments that mention that she is Whigfield's vocalist on Facebook and Instagram. Fixfxx (talk) 17:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Concerns over article content:

I have concerns that this page is now very Whigfield didn’t do this or Whigfield didn’t do that which goes against the whole point of Wikipedia being neutral:

Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia (as explained at <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction>), and so anyone may edit its articles. Its policy, nonetheless, is that articles must be written from a neutral point of view, representing all majority and significant-minority views fairly and without bias, as is discussed extensively at <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view>.

I understand your point of view but it makes the whole page look messy. It is supposed to be a biography but a lot of the facts you have written are about Ann Lee and not Sannie Carlson.

This whole section needs tidying up, condensed and put into a sub heading with a better use of evidence.

Everything you have written comes across very negative towards Sannie when it should be neutral.

A lot of what has been written is a copy of what others have said on places like Discogs. I just find your evidence to be clutching at straws and it comes across as trying to hard to prove your point when the evidence is not out there. Not once has Sannie, Annerley, Off Limits or any other official record label confirmed this and the same applies to newspaper, magazine articles and book publishings.

- You keep mentioning Mauro Farina who has nothing to do with Whigfield. His quote does not state how Annerley lent her voice.

- I can’t find the Off Limits quote on Facebook stating that Annerley is the voice and author of Whigfield.

- You state that the voice sounds different. Is this from a music professional or your opinion? Some better evidence would be valuable here.

- The Norwegian article you mention says that «Whigfield can not sing» not that she is not the singer.

All your evidence comes across as desperate. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

- The Facebook post was a shared post from Off Limits not an actual quote from Off Limits.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/2WgDj2r4Fzm1zqDj/?mibextid=WC7FNe

I have not read any evidence that Annerley Gordon was the voice of JK either. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 00:57, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Annerley’s Instagram states she is «the vocalist & songwriter behind hundreds of dance and eurobeat songs including Ann Lee, Whigfield, Corona…» on the Whigfield Wikipedia you fail to mention this. Is there any evidence to suggest that she is the voice of Corona as well? We know she is Ann Lee as Annerley performs as her in concerts. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

There are multiple reliable sources backing this up.

For instance:

Gordon's producer Mauro Farina said, "Annerley Gordon, who also did Whigfield. She lent her voice for Whigfield, and it was a worldwide success."

Source:

Video interview available on YouTube with the title, "MAURO FARINA confirms that ANNERLEY GORDON is the voice behind WHIGFIELD and BANDIDO!"

A.Beat-C, Gordon's label posted, "Whigfield and Ann Lee were the top of artistic aliases by Annerley Gordon in Eurodance music."

Source:

https://archive.is/60ncz#selection-757.0-772.0

Off Limits Whigfield's label, posted: "Annerley Gordon, better known as Ann Lee, is one of the most well-known dance characters in the 90s. She wrote together with Ivana Spagna "Try Me Out" and "I Don't Wanna Be a Star" for Corona and participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as Whigfield."

Source:

https://www.facebook.com/offlimitsitaly/posts/10156828113776352 Fixfxx (talk) 01:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Concerns over article content

Concerns over article content by user fixfxx

I have concerns that this page is now very Whigfield didn’t do this or Whigfield didn’t do that which goes against the whole point of Wikipedia being neutral: Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia (as explained at <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction>), and so anyone may edit its articles. Its policy, nonetheless, is that articles must be written from a neutral point of view, representing all majority and significant-minority views fairly and without bias, as is discussed extensively at <https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view>.

I understand your point of view but it makes the whole page look messy. It is supposed to be a biography but a lot of the facts you have written are about Ann Lee and not Sannie Carlson.

This whole section needs tidying up, condensed and put into a sub heading with a better use of evidence.

Everything you have written comes across very negative towards Sannie when it should be neutral. A lot of what has been written is a copy of what others have said on places like Discogs. I just find your evidence to be clutching at straws and it comes across as trying to hard to prove your point when the evidence is not out there. Not once has Sannie, Annerley, Off Limits or any other official record label confirmed this and the same applies to newspaper, magazine articles and book publishings.

- You keep mentioning Mauro Farina who has nothing to do with Whigfield. His quote does not state how Annerley lent her voice - when? how? What for?

- I can’t find the Off Limits quote on Facebook stating that Annerley is the voice and author of Whigfield.

- You state that the voice sounds different. Is this from a music professional or your opinion? Some better evidence would be valuable here.

- The Norwegian article you mention says that «Whigfield can not sing» not that she is not the singer. All your evidence comes across as desperate.

- The Facebook post was a shared post from Off Limits not an actual quote from Off Limits. https://www.facebook.com/share/p/2WgDj2r4Fzm1zqDj/?mibextid=WC7FNe I have not read any evidence that Annerley Gordon was the voice of JK either.

- Annerley’s Instagram states she is «the vocalist & songwriter behind hundreds of dance and eurobeat songs including Ann Lee, Whigfield, Corona…» on the Whigfield Wikipedia you fail to mention this. Is there any evidence to suggest that she is the voice of Corona as well? We know she is Ann Lee as Annerley performs as her in concerts. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 01:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Knitsey For your attention. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 01:50, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. The current version of the text that I included has been improved with input from experienced Wikipedia users and is completely objective and clear. It includes neutral information and quotes from sources close to Whigfield and the musical industry. This information is also included in different Wikipedia pages related to Whigfield, such as other language versions of this page.

Your aggressive tone and accusations are unfortunate. I have not used Discogs as a source for the Page, so I do not know why you would use it as a way to discredit me. If you can not find the post as you say, search for the date of the post that it is stated. The sources and dates are mentioned clearly.

I do not have any personal interest in Gordon or Carlson, which is another of your unfortunate arguments. Would you say the same about every person backing these claims up, or is just a way to victimise Carlson? You are nitpicking the quotes, but they are literal, your understanding of them has nothing to do here nor invalidates them.

It is fine if you want to support Carlson, but that should not affect this page, but the discussion in the Talk section. The problem is if there is a conflict of interest here. Why have you repeatedly erased this information? Why would you leave out from a page about Whigfield that Carlson has been accused of not singing when she has, that her own label posted that Annerley was the voice behind Whigfield and that an Italian producer says that Annerley lent her voice for Whigfield and it was a worldwide success? If it was a single time that Annerley sang for Whigfield or occasional back vocals like you have suggested several times, he would not say that Whigfield was a worldwide success because of that but, again, that is your understanding or mine and must never prevail on an encyclopaedia. My understanding, not even my personal opinion, is written in the Talk section, where I explain where these claims come from. However, the fact that Carlon's current producer has tried to change this page several times proves that there is a conflict of interest regarding this page, that should reflect relevant information about Whigfield in an objective manner. Fixfxx (talk) 23:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

I am nitpicking your quotes and some of your evidence. You say Off Limits posted on their Facebook that Ann Lee is the singer of Whigfield. They didn’t post this…it was La Storia Della Dance. Off Limits shared their post where they only said that 2 Times was 20 years old. La Storia Della Dance state that Ann Lee is the voice and author of J.K but you fail to mention this in your quote. It is incorrect that Ann Lee was the voice of J.K but she did write some songs so the evidence that you quote is incorrect. Off Limits have not confirmed anything. Cutting quotes and evidence in half like they’re earthworms is irresponsible. Twisting information to suit an infatuation of Ann Lee being Whigfield is inexcusable. I also believe the information from Mauro Farino is an unreliable source especially as it was just one quick throwaway statement with no evidence to back this up. For all we know, he could have made a mistake and meant another act. Once again, Off Limits, Energy, Annerley, Sannie have never confirmed that Annerley is the voice of Whigfield. There is even an interview in Italian where a guy asks Ann if she is Whigfield and she says she wrote for Whigfield. YouTube - 14.25 ANN LEE (Annerley Gordon) Ospita 90allora by Peter Quinta Parte Corona & Whigfield «You are not Corona or Whigfield?» «No, no, no, no, no…»

I do apologise but I didn’t mean Discogs…it was something from Reddit which was copied and pasted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eurobeat/comments/dey547/request_for_proof_in_the_whigfield_annerley/?rdt=57833

I won’t delete anymore or add information to the Whigfield Wikipedia as it is a complete waste of time if you are not going to listen to other people on here but I will continue to inform relevant people on Wikipedia about your unreliable sources. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 19:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Annerley’s Instagram states she is «the vocalist & songwriter behind hundreds of dance and eurobeat songs including Ann Lee, Whigfield, Corona…» on the Whigfield Wikipedia you fail to mention this. Is there any evidence to suggest that she is the voice of Corona as well? We know she is Ann Lee as Annerley performs as her in concerts.

https://www.instagram.com/annerleymusic?igsh=MWN6eGNhbWJyN29hOA==

Again, here is another example of a quote being cut in half. Annerley Gordon was NOT a vocalist of Corona, she was a songwriter. She could also be only a songwriter for Whigfield.

I have a magazine clip from around 1999 where Ann Lee actually states she is not the singer of Whigfield. I will upload it somewhere. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

Here is an interview in Dutch where she states that she is not the voice of Whigfield. I have given you two pieces of evidence from Annerley Gordon where she states she is not the voice of Whigfield. I would suggest you move your four paragraphs into a rumours section again.

https://ibb.co/pPZjc71 81.106.150.115 (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

User:Me_Da_Wikipedian Is there any chance you could look into this Whigfield page, please? It is a complete mess with unreliable sources and. The user User:fixfxx keeps re-adding “evidence” and quotes which are unreliable. They posted evidence which potentially states that Annerley Gordon is the real voice behind Corona and J.K which is false.

I have proposed that a rumours section be re-added as the evidence really isn’t reliable e.g a shared Facebook post with incorrect information and a YouTube video of an interview of a music producer who had nothing to do with the Whigfield project.

I have mentioned in this stem two occasions where Annerley Gordon states that she is not Whigfield. 5 paragraphs about a rumour in the main Whigfield section is complete overkill. It should be more about Whigfield’s accomplishments and her history, not a rumour or speculation. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 10:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Whigfield's accomplishments and the history are included as well, I did not remove anything. I have explained everything already to you, but you still try to discredit me. You apologised because you accused me of something I did not do, but I would like you remind you once again, that the Talk article has nothing to do with the Page. In the Page I only included specific information regarding Whigfield in a objective manner because it was not included or worse, it was included by someone else but you/someone is removing it repeatedly, as anyone can see. In the Talk section, I included more background for those that are curious about it and want to check the obvious differences between Carlson's voice on the new and old recordings, or links to more sources, all of them telling the same story, but I think you also misunderstood that, because the title says "Why it is claimed...", which means claimed by people working in the industry, not my own claims, so yes, I used other people's words, obviously, and a lot of things that explained why it is claimed. Moreover, you can find more threads about Carlson not being the real singer on this very Talk page. I just included the essential parts in the Page, those that are not speculation, of course, but what I included cannot be cut or reduced, because then you/someone will ask again when and who and what, so I have to leave what, when, who. We can not hide what is known, and that is why every single singer that has been accused of not singing their songs, have that information included, so why do you think that Carlson should be an exception, especially when you can find this information elsewhere, everywhere, including other articles and other language versions? I do not want to discuss with you endlessly because you seem involved, so it would be a waste of time, but it is only fair to include this relevant information and not try to hide part of the history of this act.Fixfxx (talk) 22:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixfxx, the issue is that the quotations and sources you're adding aren't sufficient for Wikipedia. We take content about living persons very seriously. We can't cite one person's social media messages or interviews for claims about a different person. We also can't combine sources to use them to say something they don't. All controversial or negative content needs to be directly supported by multiple high-quality, reliable, secondary sources; meaning they need to specifically say something like "Carlson didn't sing as Whigfield, Lee did". Short of reliable sources explicitly saying that, we can't put it on Wikipedia.

Yes, sometimes that means our articles are incomplete. But our policy says that it's better if articles are incomplete than for us to get it wrong when living persons are involved. I hope this helps! Woodroar (talk) 23:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Please, can you check Mauro Farina's interview, he literally says that Gordon lent Whigfield her voice and it was a worldwide success.

Whigfield's label Off Limits posted that Gordon participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as Whigfield.

There are more sources, but these two are directly connected to Gordon and Carlson.

If we do not mention Gordon at all, the article becomes propaganda and a reflection of Carlson's official website, whose producer has already been reported because of COI.

There are several threads about this issue here, yet the information is always erased and the result is obviously biased. Fixfxx (talk) 00:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Could you please link those sources? Woodroar (talk) 01:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Gordon's producer Mauro Farina said, "Annerley Gordon, who also did Whigfield. She lent her voice for Whigfield, and it was a worldwide success."

Source:

Video interview available on YouTube with the title, "MAURO FARINA confirms that ANNERLEY GORDON is the voice behind WHIGFIELD and BANDIDO!"

A.Beat-C, Gordon's label posted, "Whigfield and Ann Lee were the top of artistic aliases by Annerley Gordon in Eurodance music."

Source:

https://archive.is/60ncz#selection-757.0-772.0

Off Limits Whigfield's label, posted: "Annerley Gordon, better known as Ann Lee, is one of the most well-known dance characters in the 90s. She wrote together with Ivana Spagna "Try Me Out" and "I Don't Wanna Be a Star" for Corona and participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as Whigfield."

Source:

https://www.facebook.com/offlimitsitaly/posts/10156828113776352 Fixfxx (talk) 01:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I found what I think is the YouTube video for that Mauro Farina source, but it didn't really matter. Interviews are primary sources, and we can't use them to support claims about other living persons, including Gordon or Carlson.

A.Beat-C is a self-published source, which we also can't use to support claims about other living persons.

The Off Limits source isn't even by Off Limits, they're sharing someone else's Facebook post. But it doesn't matter, because the original FB post is self-published as well, plus it only says that Gordon/Lee "participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as WHIGFIELD"—nothing like the claim you want to use it for.

So again, what we need are multiple high-quality, secondary, reliable sources to directly support the claim. For an article about a musician, we're usually looking for articles written by music journalists and published in reputable music or entertainment magazines, newspapers, etc. And they can't vaguely hint at the claim, they really do need to say something like "Carlson didn't sing in Whigfield, Gordon/Lee did". Woodroar (talk) 01:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Yup. Anything like this needs clear and unambiguous direct sourcing from reputable publications. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually and perhaps completely irrelevant, I am a musician, not related to Carlson and Gordon. I do not think that there are so many sources needed for other pages such as Corona or Milli Vanilli. I don't know if you read the post I wrote in the Talk section, but if you do and also listen to the voice comparisons, including for instance Carlson's new and original "Saturday Night" recordings -completely different voice on each-, and Whigfield's and Ally & Jo's songs -exactly the same voice-, you won't have any doubt about it. Gordon lent her voice for many dance acts. This is something that is known since the 90s and that you can find everywhere. Gordon could not disclose this, but recently she has not denied it and has liked comments stating that she was the real singer behind Whigfield -an act she made songs for-.

Isn't a dance music producer that worked with Gordon more reliable than a journalist as a source, though? There are articles about this. On 26 July 1995, Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang referred to a story in Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet that claimed that Carlson could not sing. People in the music industry that have discussed this believe that Gordon was the singer, and Carlson has never sung live those songs and, when she did, the voice was completely different, yet the same as her new recordings of Whigfield's songs and her new songs.

As I said, if you check what has been published, self-published or not, and listen to these videos an songs, you won't have any doubt about it, yet I searched for and found sources as relevant as possible, because all I cared was the truth being at least mentioned here. It is maybe impossible to find in 2024 something that checks all the tick boxes that you are requiring, but important people have backed up that Carlson did not sing the four first albums of Whigfield. Fixfxx (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy is explicit regarding sourcing requirements, and not open to negotiation here. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You have already said that many times on the other thread along your accusations and threats that will be reported accordingly. Please refrain from interrupting my conversations repeatedly. Fixfxx (talk) 03:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

This is a Wikipedia article talk page. It is not a platform for private conversations. And pointing out applicable policy is not a threat. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixfxx, with all due respect, I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is about and what we do here—as well as our limitations.

First, you have primary sources, like artist interviews, social media posts, even songs.

Next, you have secondary sources, like newspapers, magazines, academic journals, and so on. Their work is based on analyzing, interpreting, evaluating (and so on) those primary sources.

Wikipedia is a tertiary source, like most encyclopedias. We're here to summarize what secondary sources say about specific subjects. Because some secondary sources and better than others, we tend to look for the best secondary sources. In cases of controversial or negative content about living persons, we require the best sources, and usually multiple sources.

Our No Original Research policy specifically forbids us (that is, you and me) from analyzing primary sources. We're not going to update this article based on what we hear in the songs, because we can't do that. We're not going to use one person's unvetted claims to write something about another person, because we can't do that. It's a secondary source's responsible to vet those claims, to do the research necessary, and to publish their findings. On then can we summarize what they found.

As I mentioned earlier, our living persons policy says that it's better if we have no information than to publish wrong information, or gossip, or claims that are unsourced or poorly-sourced. I'm afraid the article is going to have to remain like this until reliable, secondary sources come along and cover the subject in more depth. Woodroar (talk) 12:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I am not a fan of Carlson nor Gordon, but nope, Mauro Farina only said that in 2021 in a very casual way, if you watch the interview. Besides, he no longer works with Gordon. He just said so because he assumes that everybody knows this. I recommend everyone watching that part of the interview.

The main reason why this has been discussed since the 90s is because Carlson never sings live and because of her real voice. By her real voice I mean when she ad-lib live, like in one of the videos I posted in the Talk section. She also lip-synched covers recorded by Gordon that are not part of Whigfield's albums, because the voice of those covers by Gordon and Whigfield's recordings is the same. She did this in the 90s. If Carlson was the real singer, Carlson's voice would be similar to Whigfield's albums.

When Carlson sings live, her voice is completely different, but the same as the new recording of Saturday Night and the new songs recorded by Carlson. I recommend you hearing these new recordings by Carlson and compare them to Close to You and Don't Walk Away. Not just the voices are different, but also it is technically impossible that Carlson is able to sing Close to You and Don't Walk Away. She is not able to reach those notes. Before anyone thinks of AutoTune, the voice on Whigfield's recordings is not heavily processed and sounds just like Gordon (Ann Lee) singing live. Gordon even sang Saturday Night live and it's the same voice as the original recording. Remember that there are two recordings of Saturday Night with different voices. The original recording has the same voice as Gordon. The second recording perfectly matches Carlson's voice.

If you listen to the new recording of Saturday Night, recorded by Carlson and the original recording by Whigfield, the voices are different, but if you listen to Whigfield and also Ally & Jo, the voices are the same, because Gordon lent her voice for many projects in Italy, including Ally & Jo and Whigfield. They sound exactly the same, if you listen to them. If Carlson was the real singer, Ally & Jo would not exist, it would be Whigfield that already uses Carlson's face, but for some reason the producers did not want to use Gordon as the face of any of these acts, but for the voice in many projects. This was considered fraud in USA, where she did not promote anything but the new album.

I also would like to thank you because your attitude in your last posts is positive. You taught me a few things about how articles are made even when they are not "right" or "complete", and you seem honestly curious about the topic. Fixfxx (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I dont have the time or energy to look into this right now, but I'd suggest looking at policy, maybe using Wikipedia:Dispute resolution if you can't find aggrement. Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 23:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will look into this. 81.106.150.115 (talk) 08:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

• Our policies regarding content about living persons are very strict. We simply can't use self-published claims from social media to support claims about other living persons. Controversial or negative content needs to be supported by high-quality, reliable, secondary sources—in many cases multiple reliable sources. Fixfxx, if you know of such sources, please bring them here for discussion. Woodroar (talk) 21:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

  There are multiple reliable sources backing this up. For instance:

  Gordon's producer Mauro Farina said, "Annerley Gordon, who also did Whigfield. She lent her voice for Whigfield, and it was a worldwide success."

  Source:

  Video interview available on YouTube with the title, "MAURO FARINA confirms that ANNERLEY GORDON is the voice behind WHIGFIELD and BANDIDO!"

  A.Beat-C, Gordon's label posted, "Whigfield and Ann Lee were the top of artistic aliases by Annerley Gordon in Eurodance music."

  Source:

  https://archive.is/60ncz#selection-757.0-772.0

  Off Limits Whigfield's label, posted: "Annerley Gordon, better known as Ann Lee, is one of the most well-known dance characters in the 90s. She wrote together with Ivana Spagna "Try Me Out" and "I Don't Wanna Be a Star" for Corona and participated as a voice and author in numerous dance projects such as Whigfield."

  Source:

  https://www.facebook.com/offlimitsitaly/posts/10156828113776352 Fixfxx (talk) 01:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)