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Death

"He bled to death in one minute." Sounds like a mortal wound to me. GrahamBould 13:34, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly, Shreier's account is a colored editorialization of the primary source's recollection, the attache. There is no point in including it since it is not factual.69.231.233.31 (talk) 05:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Death, see also

Der Tod

Der Tod des Generals auf dem Schlachtfelde in Cechówka bei Warschau (heute pl:Sulejówek), am 15. September 1939 gegen 7 Uhr. (pl) [1]

What is this all about? Its in a foreign language, & this is the English Wikipedia. GrahamBould 07:08, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know German, but this seems to allude to a date of death different from the offically reported one. A number of Polish sources testify to his date of death as September 15, 1939. Also, these sources present a different version of the events: the general and his escort of six armored troop carriers were surprised by a Polish detachment while resting. The other officers present with the general survived, as the Polish troops all aimed at the general with their first salvo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pernambuco1 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

von Fritsch's position?

In the Gerd von Rundstedt article it says

"Werner von Fritsch -head commander of Wehrmacht- was framed by the Gestapo"

However if you look at Werner von Fritsch it suggests that he became commander in chief of the army, not the Wehrmacht; then if you look at Wehrmacht (under Command Structure) it says the legal commander in chief was Hitler. Can someone clear this up? Or at least suggest a better term that "head commander." --BrokenSphere 01:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the von Rundstedt article. GrahamBould 09:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be some confusion here caused by the term Wehrmacht. Technically the term Wehrmacht described the entire German Armed Forces, which comprise the Army (Heer), the Navy (Kriegsmarine), and the Air Force (Luftwaffe). In practice, it is common to use the term Whermacht just to describe the Army. The Supreme Commander in Chief of the German Armed Forces from 1925 until his death in 1934 was the Reich President Paul von Hindenburg. After Hindenburg's death in August 1934, the Chancellor, was was of course Hitler assumped the powers of the presidency and became Supreme Commander in Chief. Reporting to the Supreme Commander in Chief was the Defence Minister (renamed the War Ministry in 1935) Werner von Blomberg, and to Blomberg, the Commander in Chief of the Army (OKH), who in the period 1934-38 was Fritsch. In 1938, Hitler abolished the War Ministry and replaced it with the OKW. As part of the same process, Hitler replaced Fritisch with Walther von Brauchitsch as chief of the OKH. In 1941, Hitler sacked Brauchitsch and appointed himself Commander in Chief of the Army. I hope this clears things up. --A.S. Brown (talk) 16:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just added something to the Von Fritsch page and now the page is funky. The reference is there but the body of the quote is wacky. Can you help with this? Tswold (talk) 06:28, 27 September 2009 (UTC) Nevermind, open quotes do something crazy I don't know about. Thanks.Tswold (talk) 02:20, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative theory of his death

The alternative theory of his death from 1944 (!) is BS. I delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.221.83.25 (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camrai-Fritsch Kaserne

I can't condone using a 2007 article to say Cambrai-Fritsch Kaserne was turned over to the German government in March 2009. It's not true -- though that was the plan, and though probably 90-99% of US personnel were gone by spring 2009, I believe the US Army has yet to actually turn over CFK to Germany. Hzoi (talk) 22:29, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis Wheatley

Dennis Wheatley, in his novel 'The Scarlet Impostor', about the opening of the war, states that Fritsch was deliberately murdered by his SS bodyguards.

I deleted this. Wehrmacht generals didn't have "SS bodyguards". Except in the imagination of some Anglo-American novelists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.221.30.12 (talk) 17:10, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Baron

He was aristocrat, a Baron von Fritsch, which is not mentioned. He was also framed by FA, not the Gestapo. Gestapo don't frame anybody. Flicke- War secrets in the either, Part 1-2, Page 229. scope_creep (talk) 22:38, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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References

^ Robert S. Wistrich (4 July 2013). Who's Who in Nazi Germany. Routledge. pp. 67–. ISBN 978-1-136-41388-9.

"he was forced to resign after he was falsely accused of being homosexual. His ousting was a major step in Adolf Hitler's establishment of tighter control over the armed forces". There is no evidence for this. It is supposition by conspiracy theorists. This was an internal military affair. 2A00:23C4:B617:7D01:543F:885B:286B:445C (talk) 10:22, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Foolish grin, foolish quote

Referenced to Der Spiegel 34/1948, we have this translated quote:

"Before I took off his braces, the Herr Generaloberst said: "please leave it", lost consciousness and died, with a foolish grin on his fading face."

However, what Der Spiegel actually writes is this (https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-44418769.html):

"Herr Generaloberst sagte: 'Lassen Sie nur'. Dann verlor er die Besinnung und starb, bevor ich die Hosenträger abgeknöpft hatte."

No "foolish grin on his fading face" there, or in the rest of the original text. 2A02:AA1:1010:5FFF:AC62:9C65:DA90:5EA3 (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Desperately seeking Werner

"But Werner was desperately seeking for the Heldentod" - apart from the grade C melodrama, why are we suddenly on a first-name basis with Fritsch?2A02:AA1:1010:5FFF:AC62:9C65:DA90:5EA3 (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[Wistrich2013-1] Robert S. Wistrich (4 July 2013). Who's Who in Nazi Germany. Routledge. pp. 67–. ISBN 978-1-136-41388-9.

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