Talk:Weather pains

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Other Conditions

Among other conditions should be listed Alternobaric Vertigo which Dorlands Medical Dictionary says is a true vertigo which afflicts the patient when the barometer falls, in which case the patient also falls. Rumjal rumjal 10:26, 8 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumjal (talk • contribs)

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Weather pains or weather-related pain classified as Other specified adverse effects not elsewhere classified, is a phenomenon that occurs when people feel pain, particularly joint pain or migraine headaches correlating with changes in barometric pressure and other weather phenomena.

Classified by whom?

The first comma needs to be balanced by another comma before either or or classified. —Tamfang (talk) 04:55, 19 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tone of this article is wrong

The tone of this article is wrong making it sound like weather related pain is real, whereas the evidence (including citations made here!) shows it is likely all or mostly confirmation bias.

A typical example: Claim in lede: "The majority of people... report feeling pain when a weather front is approaching."

Whereas the cited reference says: "Many different weather variables have been studied, but only three (temperature, relative humidity and atmospheric pressure) have been studied extensively. Overall group level analyses show that associations between pain and these three variables are close to zero." (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1016/j.ejpain.2010.05.003/abstract;jsessionid=552B063743BB478D2EB9AB77A9FA9ED4.f02t01)

In other cases the referenced citations do not support the material and should be removed.

I am attempting to rectify this situation with this edit. RobP (talk) 19:57, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Despite my prior understanding, it DOES seem that their is evidence FOR the claim that weather changes can contribute to headaches/migraines, so I have update the article. Rp2006 (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal

I propose that Meteoropathy be merged into Weather pains. The majority of its content overlaps with Weather pains and it should be easy as they are both small articles (a stub and starting article). Houdinipeter (talk) 13:27, 4 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The first is about any symptoms. The second is just about pain. The second is a more common concept than the first. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Seems to me it is the same subject. Prob weather pains should merge into the Meteo article. RobP (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge Weather pains is the common term in English so would recommend merging to that. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:29, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
support merging here. Jytdog (talk) 20:38, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merged. -- Beland (talk) 05:00, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

problem with interlanguage link

if you see this page https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Weather_pains there are one spanish interlanguage link

if you see this redirection page https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Meteoropathy&redirect=no there are 9 interlanguages link

SO i think all the interlanguages link should be put on the english article. Because if someone read the english article and want to navigate between languages, it is not possible.

Ithink you should change the name of the english article to Meteoropathy is more common.

and wikidata for meteropathy and weather pain shoud be merged.

I have tried some things but it is not good. it need to be reverted.

please delete the 2 new pages i have created :

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Meteoropathy2

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Meteoropathy1

i wanted to move the pages to use the term meteoropathy but it did not worked. thanks.

note: i see in the discussion above that "Weather pains is the common term in English so would recommend merging to that." just to say meteoropathy is not pain, it can be psychic problem. And "weather pain" is a term that give more a physical pain image. It is okay that it is merged.

One terme or another is okay, but all interlanguages link should be in the article (and not in the redirection page ; and the wikidata should be merged for that perhaps.

--doc james jytdog help --Vatadoshu^french 20:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seizures

Low atmospheric pressure and high relative air humidity are associated with an increased risk for epileptic seizures, whereas high ambient temperatures seem to decrease seizure risk. Weather-dependent seizure risk may be accentuated in patients with less severe epilepsy.

Rakers F, Walther M, Schiffner R, Rupprecht S, Rasche M, Kockler M, Witte OW, Schlattmann P, Schwab M. Weather as a risk factor for epileptic seizures: A case-crossover study. Epilepsia. 2017 Jul;58(7):1287-1295. doi: 10.1111/epi.13776. Epub 2017 May 8. PMID: 28480567. 68.115.87.52 (talk) 15:18, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a medical diagnosis in Russia

Needs acknowledgement or US-centric warning. 67.164.18.219 (talk) 04:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MeteoAgent app section

No citations listed, especially anything authoritative, might as well be an advertisement for the software. Citation needed tag in place since March, if there are no complaints, I'll excise the uncited advertisement.Wzrd1 (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No argument from me on that plan! Rp2006 (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done.Wzrd1 (talk) 04:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was added back and I just removed it again. Rp2006 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like user Karakas~ruwiki added it back, after removing a URL that I had simply corrected, but was otherwise proprietary in nature. Thanks, missed the readdition.Wzrd1 (talk) 21:06, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayo and NHS citations - not "scientific?

In the final paragraph, within the "Scientific Evaluation" section," there is wording and citations originating from the Mayo Clinic and NHS (both obviously reputable organization).

But, if you read the actual web posts, neither contains any research/studies/references nor is either peer-reviewed.

So maybe they are repeating "historic beliefs"? And should be in that section?

PS: I find it compelling that the actual air pressure change in a storm - as in the article - is as much as you would get going up an elevator in a tall building. So, if such a change actually lead to headaches, no susceptible person would be able to attend a meeting or work on the higher floors. RationalAndOptimistic (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I go back to this now I see that the Mayo and NHS references are included in the first, summary, paragraph saying: "it is largely or entirely due to perceptual errors . . . with the possible exception being headaches and migraines.[3][4]" I don't think those are credible sources for such a claim (since, again, there is no research and no peer review). — Preceding unsigned comment added by RationalAndOptimistic (talk • contribs) 16:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]