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Proposing update to Technology section
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Hi there! On behalf of Waymo, I'd like to request some updates throughout this article, which is quite outdated in places. Previously, the article contained lengthy detail about self-driving technology and related topics that did not necessarily belong in the Waymo article, but recent updates to address those issues have already helped focus this article on the company. With that said, there are still some issues in the article that I'd like to help address. I've researched Waymo and created a full draft of what an updated article could look like based on secondary sourcing and in line with Wikipedia's standards. You can see my full-article draft in my user space. I've also made this diff to compare my draft with the current article.
This is a large article with many opportunities for updates throughout: some small, and some that are a little larger. To not overwhelm reviewing editors, I'll split up my proposed updates and share them section-by-section. I'd like to start with a proposed update for the Technology section, as it has some straightforward edits needed to address outdated information that is currently written in the present tense. As a consequence, the information is confusing and misleading in places. Below, you can see my proposed changes (green text is new, strikethrough is text I propose cutting), the proposed new draft, and the markup for the proposed draft ready to be added into the article in place of the current section.
The updates that I am proposing for Technology are:
- Copy editing and correcting verb tense
- Adding Waymo's in-house hardware and its effects on cost and integration with Waymo technology
- Adding Carcraft, Waymo's virtual testing world
- Adding partnerships
- Adding details on vehicles using Waymo technology
- Deleting outdated details on the systems and hardware used on vehicles
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In 2017, Waymo unveiled new sensors and chips that are less expensive to manufacture, cameras that improve visibility and wipers to clear the lidar system.[1] Waymo manufactures a suite of self-driving hardware developed in-house.[2] These sensors and hardware—enhanced vision system, improved radar, and laser-based lidar—reduce Waymo's dependence on suppliers.[2][3] The in-house production system allows Waymo to efficiently integrate its technology to the hardware.[4] In the beginning of the self-driving car program, the company spent $75,000 for each lidar system.[4] As of 2017, that cost was down approximately 90 percent, due to Waymo designing its own version of lidar.[5] Waymo officials said the cars the company uses are built for full autonomy with sensors that give 360 views and lasers that detect objects up to 300 meters away.[3] Short-range lasers detect and focus on objects near the vehicle, while radar is used to see around vehicles and track objects in motion.[3] The interior of these cars include buttons for riders to control certain functions: "Help", "Lock", "Pull over", and "Start ride".[6]
Waymo engineers have also created a program called Carcraft, a virtual world where Waymo can simulate driving conditions.[7][8] The simulator is named after the video game World of Warcraft.[7][8] With Carcraft, 25,000 virtual self-driving cars navigate through models of Austin, Texas, Mountain View, California, Phoenix, Arizona, and other cities.[7] As of 2018[update], Waymo has driven more than 5 billion miles in the virtual world.[9]
Waymo has created partnerships with Fiat Chrysler Automobiles,[3] Lyft,[3] AutoNation,[10] Avis,[3] Intel,[11] and Jaguar Land Rover.[12]
The Waymo project team has equipped various types of cars with the self-driving equipment, including the Toyota Prius, Audi TT, Fiat Chrysler Pacifica and Lexus RX450h.[13][14] Google has also developed their own custom vehicle, about 100 of which is were assembled by Roush Enterprises and uses with equipment from Bosch, ZF Lenksysteme, LG, and Continental.[15][16]
As of June 2014[update], the system used a map of the area the vehicle is expected to use, with features described to a precision of one inch, including how high the traffic lights are. In addition to on-board systems, some computation is performed on remote computer farms.[17]
In May 2016, Google and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles announced an order of 100 Chrysler Pacifica hybrid minivans to test the self-driving technology.[18] Waymo ordered an additional 500 Pacifica hybrids in 2017 and in late May 2018, Alphabet announced plans to add up to 62,000 Pacifica Hybrid minivans to the fleet.[19][20] In March 2018, Jaguar Land Rover announced that Waymo had ordered up to 20,000 of Jaguar's its planned electric I-Pace electric vehicles cars, at an estimated cost more than $1 billion.[21][22] Jaguar is to deliver the first I-Pace prototype later in the year, and the cars are to become part of Waymo's ride-hailing service in 2020.[23][24][25]
Google's robotic cars have[when?] about $150,000 in equipment including a $70,000 LIDAR system.[citation needed] The rangefinder mounted on the top is a Velodyne 64-beam laser. This laser allows the vehicle to generate a detailed 3D map of its environment. The car then takes these generated maps and combines them with high-resolution maps of the world, producing different types of data models that allow it to drive itself.[26]
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In 2017, Waymo unveiled new sensors and chips that are less expensive to manufacture, cameras that improve visibility and wipers to clear the lidar system.[1] Waymo manufactures a suite of self-driving hardware developed in-house.[2] These sensors and hardware—enhanced vision system, improved radar, and laser-based lidar—reduce Waymo's dependence on suppliers.[2][3] The in-house production system allows Waymo to efficiently integrate its technology to the hardware.[4] In the beginning of the self-driving car program, the company spent $75,000 for each lidar system.[4] As of 2017, that cost was down approximately 90 percent, due to Waymo designing its own version of lidar.[5] Waymo officials said the cars the company uses are built for full autonomy with sensors that give 360 views and lasers that detect objects up to 300 meters away.[3] Short-range lasers detect and focus on objects near the vehicle, while radar is used to see around vehicles and track objects in motion.[3] The interior of these cars include buttons for riders to control certain functions: "Help", "Lock", "Pull over", and "Start ride".[6]
Waymo engineers have also created a program called Carcraft, a virtual world where Waymo can simulate driving conditions.[7][8] The simulator is named after the video game World of Warcraft.[7][8] With Carcraft, 25,000 virtual self-driving cars navigate through models of Austin, Texas, Mountain View, California, Phoenix, Arizona, and other cities.[7] As of 2018[update], Waymo has driven more than 5 billion miles in the virtual world.[9]
Waymo has created partnerships with Fiat Chrysler Automobiles,[3] Lyft,[3] AutoNation,[10] Avis,[3] Intel,[11] and Jaguar Land Rover.[12]
The Waymo project team has equipped various types of cars with the self-driving equipment, including the Toyota Prius, Audi TT, Fiat Chrysler Pacifica and Lexus RX450h.[13][29] Google also developed their own custom vehicle, about 100 of which were assembled by Roush Enterprises with equipment from Bosch, ZF Lenksysteme, LG, and Continental.[15][16]
In May 2016, Google and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles announced an order of 100 Chrysler Pacifica hybrid minivans to test the self-driving technology.[18] Waymo ordered an additional 500 Pacifica hybrids in 2017 and in late May 2018, Alphabet announced plans to add up to 62,000 Pacifica Hybrid minivans to the fleet.[19][30] In March 2018, Jaguar Land Rover announced that Waymo had ordered up to 20,000 of its planned electric I-Pace cars, at an estimated cost more than $1 billion.[21][22] Jaguar is to deliver the first I-Pace prototype later in the year, and the cars are to become part of Waymo's ride-hailing service in 2020.[31][32][33]
Waymo partners with Intel to use Intel technologies, such as processors, inside Waymo vehicles.[34] Its deals with Avis and AutoNation are for vehicle maintenance.[10] With Lyft, Waymo is partnering on pilot projects and product development.[28]==Technology==
[[File:Google driverless car at intersection.gk.jpg|thumb|A self-driving car with the previous Google branding]][[File:Google's Lexus RX 450h Self-Driving Car.jpg|thumb|A [[Lexus RX450h]] retrofitted by Google for its self-driving car project]]<br/>
In 2017, Waymo unveiled new sensors and chips that are less expensive to manufacture, cameras that improve visibility and wipers to clear the lidar system.<ref name="Bergen17">{{cite web |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-16/waymo-s-next-challenge-making-driverless-passengers-feels-safe |title=Waymo Tests Hardware to Ease Passenger Fears of Driverless Cars |authors=Mark Bergen Alistair Barr |date=16 May 2017 |publisher=[[Bloomberg]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> Waymo manufactures a suite of self-driving hardware developed in-house.<ref name="Gibbs17">{{cite news |title=Google sibling Waymo launches fully autonomous ride-hailing service |last1=Gibbs |first1=Samuel |url=https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/google-waymo-announces-fully-autonomous-ride-hailing-service-uber-alphabet |newspaper=[[The Guardian]] |date=7 November 2017 |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> These sensors and hardware—enhanced vision system, improved radar, and laser-based lidar—reduce Waymo's dependence on suppliers.<ref name="Gibbs17"/><ref name="Hawkins17"/> The in-house production system allows Waymo to efficiently integrate its technology to the hardware.<ref name="Adams17">{{cite web |url=https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/everything-you-need-to-know-waymo/ |title=Everything you need to know about Waymo’s self-driving car project |author=Dallon Adams |date=26 April 2017 |publisher=[[Digital Trends]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> In the beginning of the self-driving car program, the company spent $75,000 for each lidar system.<ref name="Adams17"/> As of 2017, that cost was down approximately 90 percent, due to Waymo designing its own version of lidar.<ref name="Amadeo17">{{cite web |url=https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/01/googles-waymo-invests-in-lidar-technology-cuts-costs-by-90-percent/ |title=Google’s Waymo invests in LIDAR technology, cuts costs by 90 percent |author=Ron Amadeo |date=9 January 2017 |publisher=[[Ars Technica]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> Waymo officials said the cars the company uses are built for full autonomy with sensors that give 360 views and lasers that detect objects up to 300 meters away.<ref name="Hawkins17"/> Short-range lasers detect and focus on objects near the vehicle, while radar is used to see around vehicles and track objects in motion.<ref name="Hawkins17"/> The interior of these cars include buttons for riders to control certain functions: "Help", "Lock", "Pull over", and "Start ride".<ref name="della Cava17">{{cite news |title=Waymo shows off the secret facility where it trains self-driving cars |last1=della Cava |first1=Marco |url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/10/31/waymo-self-driving-cars-go-school-here/815627001/ |newspaper=[[USA Today]] |date=31 October 2017 |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref><br/>
Waymo engineers have also created a program called Carcraft, a virtual world where Waymo can simulate driving conditions.<ref name="Madrigal17">{{cite news |title=Inside Waymo's Secret World for Training Self-Driving Cars |last1=Madrigal |first1=Alexis C. |url=https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/inside-waymos-secret-testing-and-simulation-facilities/537648/ |newspaper=[[The Atlantic]] |date=23 August 2017 |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref><ref name="Seppala17">{{cite web |url=https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/23/waymo-virtual-world-carcraft/ |title='Carcraft' is Waymo's virtual world for autonomous vehicle testing |author=Timothy J. Seppala |date=23 August 2017 |publisher=[[Engadget]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> The simulator is named after the [[video game]] ''[[World of Warcraft]]''.<ref name="Madrigal17"/><ref name="Seppala17"/> With Carcraft, 25,000 virtual self-driving cars navigate through models of Austin, Texas, [[Mountain View, California]], Phoenix, Arizona, and other cities.<ref name="Madrigal17"/> {{As of|2018}}, Waymo has driven more than 5 billion miles in the virtual world.<ref name="Ohnsman18">{{cite web |url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2018/03/02/waymo-is-millions-of-miles-ahead-in-robot-car-tests-does-it-need-a-billion-more/#719d148b1ef4 |title=Waymo Is Millions Of Miles Ahead In Robot Car Tests; Does It Need A Billion More? |author=Alan Ohnsman |date=2 March 2018 |publisher=[[Forbes]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref><br/>
Waymo has created partnerships with [[Fiat Chrysler Automobiles]],<ref name="Hawkins17"/> [[Lyft]],<ref name="Hawkins17"/> [[AutoNation]],<ref name="Boudette17">{{cite news |title=Waymo Enlists AutoNation to Maintain Driverless Test Fleet |last1=Boudette |first1=Neal E. |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/02/business/waymo-autonation-driverless.html |newspaper=[[The New York Times]] |date=2 November 2017 |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> [[Avis]],<ref name="Hawkins17"/> [[Intel]],<ref name="Novet17">{{cite web |url=https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/18/alphabets-waymo-self-driving-cars-use-intel-chips.html |title=Google's self-driving cars have been using Intel chips this whole time |author=Jordan Novet |date=18 September 2017 |publisher=[[CNBC]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref> and [[Jaguar Land Rover]].<ref name="Bergen18">{{cite news |title=Waymo isn't going to slow down now |last1=Bergen |first1=Mark |last2=Naughton |first2=Keith |url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-04-02/waymo-isn-t-slowing-down-pact-with-honda-could-include-delivery |newspaper=[[Bloomberg]] |date=2 April 2018 |accessdate=12 June 2018}}</ref><br/>
The Waymo project team has equipped various types of cars with the self-driving equipment, including the Toyota Prius, [[Audi TT]], [[Fiat Automobiles|Fiat]] [[Chrysler Pacifica (RU)|Chrysler Pacifica]] and [[Lexus RX450h]].<ref name="Wired2012">{{cite news|author=Damon Lavrinc|url=https://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/04/google-autonomous-lexus-rx450h/|title=Exclusive: Google Expands Its Autonomous Fleet With Hybrid Lexus RX450h|work=[[Wired (magazine)|Wired]]|date=April 16, 2012|accessdate=April 24, 2012}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/07/google-waymo-announces-fully-autonomous-ride-hailing-service-uber-alphabet|title=Google sibling Waymo launches fully autonomous ride-hailing service|last=Gibbs|first=Samuel|date=2017-11-07|work=The Guardian|access-date=2017-12-03|language=en-GB|issn=0261-3077}}</ref> Google also developed their own custom vehicle, about 100 of which were assembled by [[Roush Enterprises]] with equipment from [[Robert Bosch GmbH|Bosch]], [[ZF Friedrichshafen|ZF Lenksysteme]], [[LG Electronics|LG]], and [[Continental AG|Continental]].<ref name=crainsroush>{{cite web|url=http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20140528/NEWS/140529850/roush-to-assemble-google-self-driving-cars-in-allen-park-sources-say |title=Crain's Detroit Business : Subscription Center|work=crainsdetroit.com}}</ref><ref name=autonewsoems>{{cite web|url=http://www.autonews.com/article/20150114/OEM09/150119815/google-in-talks-with-oems-suppliers-to-build-self-driving-cars|title=Google in talks with OEMs, suppliers to build self-driving cars|work=Automotive News}}</ref><br/>
In May 2016, Google and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles announced an order of 100 Chrysler Pacifica hybrid minivans to test the self-driving technology.<ref name="Ebhardt16">{{cite web|url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/fiat-google-said-to-plan-partnership-on-self-driving-minivans |title=Fiat, Google Plan Partnership on Self-Driving Minivans |author=Tommaso Ebhardt |date=3 May 2016}}</ref> Waymo ordered an additional 500 Pacifica hybrids in 2017 and in late May 2018, Alphabet announced plans to add up to 62,000 Pacifica Hybrid minivans to the fleet.<ref name="Hawkins18">{{cite web |url=https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/30/16948356/waymo-google-fiat-chrysler-pacfica-minivan-self-driving |title=Waymo strikes a deal to buy ‘thousands’ more self-driving minivans from Fiat Chrysler |author=Andrew J. Hawkins |date=30 January 2018 |publisher=[[The Verge]] |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=della Cava |first1=Marco |title=Waymo will add up to 62,000 FCA minivans to self-driving fleet |url=https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2018/05/31/waymo-add-up-62-000-fca-minivans-self-driving-fleet/659160002/ |website=USA TODAY |accessdate=1 June 2018 |language=en}}</ref> In March 2018, [[Jaguar Land Rover]] announced that Waymo had ordered up to 20,000 of its planned electric I-Pace cars, at an estimated cost more than $1 billion.<ref name="Higgins18">{{cite news |title=Waymo Orders Up to 20,000 Jaguar SUVs for Driverless Fleet |last1=Higgins |first1=Tim |last2=Dawson |first2=Chester |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/waymo-orders-up-to-20-000-jaguar-suvs-for-driverless-fleet-1522159944 |newspaper=[[The Wall Street Journal]] |date=27 March 2018 |accessdate=13 June 2018}}</ref><ref name=":1">{{Cite web|url=https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/27/waymo-self-driving-taxis-jaguar-land-rover |title=Jaguar to supply 20,000 cars to Google's self-driving spin-off Waymo|last=Topham|first=Gwyn|date=2018-03-27|website=the Guardian|language=en|access-date=2018-03-28}}</ref> Jaguar is to deliver the first I-Pace prototype later in the year, and the cars are to become part of Waymo's ride-hailing service in 2020.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/27/17165992/waymo-jaguar-i-pace-self-driving-ny-auto-show-2018|title=Waymo and Jaguar will build up to 20,000 self-driving electric SUVs|work=The Verge|access-date=2018-03-28}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web|url=https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/27/waymo-teams-up-with-jaguar-to-intro-a-new-premium-self-driving-car/|title=Waymo teams up with Jaguar to intro a new, premium self-driving car – TechCrunch|website=techcrunch.com|language=en-US|access-date=2018-03-28}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/27/jaguar-land-rover-supply-self-driving-cars-googles-waymo/|title=Jaguar Land Rover lands £1.2bn deal to supply self-driving cars to Google's Waymo|last=Tovey|first=Alan|date=2018-03-27|work=The Telegraph|access-date=2018-03-28|language=en-GB|issn=0307-1235}}</ref><br/>
Since I do have a financial conflict of interest, I won't edit the article myself and am looking for uninvolved editors to review and make changes as appropriate.
I've noticed that Daniel.Cardenas and Merxistan have recently made constructive edits to this article. Would either of you be interested and able to look into this request? Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:06, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Rhiannon. Recommend you go ahead and make the updates. If there is a conflict we can go back to talking on this talk page. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Daniel.Cardenas. I follow the "bright line" and don't edit where I have a conflict of interest, instead seeking uninvolved editors to consider my proposed updates. Would you be willing to review my suggested edits? I'm happy to discuss any issues or answer questions here. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 03:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Hello @16912 Rhiannon:, thank you for following Wikipedia's "conflict of interest" guideline. If you don't find a regular article editor with enough time (of course we are all volunteers here editing in our free time), please use Template:request edit in your message. The template will add your request to a queue for requested reviews, so your suggestions are more visible and won't get lost. It might take a bit of time, but the queue isn't very busy currently. Editors with a conflict of interest are strongly discouraged from editing such articles themselves - it's better to let an uninvolved editor review and implement your suggestion, as you mentioned. Hope this helps. GermanJoe (talk) 17:54, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, GermanJoe. For this request (and others I make here) I'm really hoping that editors familiar with the topic will weigh in and review my suggestions, so I'm going to hold off on using the request edit template. I'm in no rush and am happy to wait or look around for folks who might be interested to help. I'll definitely consider using the template if needed. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 00:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks 16912 Rhiannon for putting together updated information for the article. I have edited the page accordingly, including most of the proposed changes throughout the full article. Merxistan (talk) 20:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the review and updating the article, Merxistan, I really appreciate the thorough look at my request and the new draft. Everything looks great, though I'll be sure to ping back here if I spot anything that I have a follow-up question about. And thanks for your patience; I've been traveling over the last week and half. In case you'd be interested to take a peek, I also have a request for John Krafcik's article, too. If not, no worries and thanks again for your help here! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks 16912 Rhiannon for putting together updated information for the article. I have edited the page accordingly, including most of the proposed changes throughout the full article. Merxistan (talk) 20:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, GermanJoe. For this request (and others I make here) I'm really hoping that editors familiar with the topic will weigh in and review my suggestions, so I'm going to hold off on using the request edit template. I'm in no rush and am happy to wait or look around for folks who might be interested to help. I'll definitely consider using the template if needed. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 00:49, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hello @16912 Rhiannon:, thank you for following Wikipedia's "conflict of interest" guideline. If you don't find a regular article editor with enough time (of course we are all volunteers here editing in our free time), please use Template:request edit in your message. The template will add your request to a queue for requested reviews, so your suggestions are more visible and won't get lost. It might take a bit of time, but the queue isn't very busy currently. Editors with a conflict of interest are strongly discouraged from editing such articles themselves - it's better to let an uninvolved editor review and implement your suggestion, as you mentioned. Hope this helps. GermanJoe (talk) 17:54, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, Daniel.Cardenas. I follow the "bright line" and don't edit where I have a conflict of interest, instead seeking uninvolved editors to consider my proposed updates. Would you be willing to review my suggested edits? I'm happy to discuss any issues or answer questions here. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 03:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Proposed updates at John Krafcik
Hi all! Wondering if editors watching this page might be interested in my request to update the article for CEO John Krafcik. While I have prepared a full updated draft for the article (which you can see in my user space), to start off with something simple I'm suggesting the addition of an Early life and education section, as is common in biography articles.
I am here on behalf of Waymo as part of my work with Beutler Ink. Since I do have a financial conflict of interest, I won't edit the article myself and am looking for uninvolved editors to review and make changes as appropriate. If anyone here has a little time to look at this request, it would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 20:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Question on key people
Hi @Merxistan: I wonder if Tatyana Bezuglova can be removed from the infobox's key people parameter, as she is not a high-level executive at Waymo, and does not appear to meet the criteria defined at Template:Infobox_company#Parameters. Specifically, the template states: "Generally list prominent, current executives within the company holding key positions such as chairman, chief executive officer, president, VP of design, etc., but do not list roles below chief officer level if they are not notable." Also, the citation provided does not list Tatyana Bezuglova.
Since I do have a financial conflict of interest as I am here on behalf of Waymo as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I won't edit the article myself and am looking for uninvolved editors to review and make changes as appropriate. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 18:49, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
- 16912 Rhiannon, those are good points. I removed her as one of the listed key people. Merxistan (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks again for your help here, Merxistan, much appreciated! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
Resolved
- Thanks again for your help here, Merxistan, much appreciated! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:02, 17 September 2018 (UTC)