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Wasps on England Team

"The 1980s saw an all time high representation of Wasps players in the England national side."

How many is that? Over what period? What was the most players at one time? Murkee 18:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suspect this may have been equalled or surpassed in the last couple years. Atomicwasp 30 March 2007 (UTC)

As do I, especially with the back row. That's why we need stats, so an objective judgement can be made. Does anyone have any stats?

Murkee 10:42, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion

I'd like to see this article worked up to featured article status, unfortunately I don't have the nitty-gritty waspish knowledge.

Obvious topics for expansion could include breaking down the professional era, more detail on how the club is managed (e.g. the role of Mr. Wright), and what is known about the future plans for the club, and our record.

Also, player biographies, many are blank. Murkee 11:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review

I've added a peer review request in order to get feedback on what the article needs to push up it's class....

Murkee 11:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review Results

The results will start to appear here

Murkee 10:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Peer review is here

I really must find the time to start working through it.... when will *that* happen? :)

Murkee (talk) 11:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Two things... Firstly, in the infobox, the club's full name is listed as "London Wasps Holdings Ltd". Surely this should be "London Wasps" or "London Wasps RUFC" rather than just the name of the holding company which owns the club? That's a bit like "Manchester United FC" listing thier full name as "Red Football Ltd"!!

Also, the 1866 formation of Hamstead FC is noted as "citation needed". Is this necessary? Particularly given that this is stated as fact within the Harlequins article! -- MLD · T · C · @: 16:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this is about the rugby football club, not the holding company. I'll change it to London Wasps unless anyone objects. Pollythewasp (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Is the name a reference to White Anglo Saxon Protestant, given that London Irish and London Welsh also exist? Or am I reading too much into it? I'm not being provocative, just curious. 157.190.228.23 (talk) 21:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are reading too much, Wasp here means the insect. WASP is a designation mostly used in the USA, we don't use it much in the UK. In addition to which the word "London" was only fairly recently added to the name.GordyB (talk) 09:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Peacock Terms

I note that a header has been added about 'peacock terms'. I've had a glance through it and I can't see any which have not been justified - although admittedly I could be rather one eyed on this issue, as a Wasps season ticket holder.

One did spring out:

"London Wasps are one of the most successful English rugby union sides in recent years, having won at least one of each of the major European competitions or knock-out tournaments in the past decade. The team compete in the English club competition, the Guinness Premiership, the Anglo-Welsh competition the EDF Energy Cup and the European knock-out competition, the Heineken Cup."

The 'one of the most successful' is, I think, admissible given the justification that follows it.

With the 'peacock terms', can anyone spot the ones which are not justified? As I say, I may just be blind to them on this topic!

Murkee (talk) 11:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Riki Flutey

I have changed Riki Flutey's postion to centre (CT) as that is where he is usually active for Wasps. 88.106.143.1 (talk) 15:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Burchill - WWE wrestler a former Wasps player?

Englishman Paul Burchill is currently a WWE wrestler on the RAW brand. It was announced during a match that he used to play for Wasps and was called 'ripper' as he ripped through opposition. Is there any truth to this claim? 87.127.178.28 (talk) 21:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Wycombe Wasps"?

I've not heard us called Wycombe Wasps, excpt as a derogatory reply to me calling London Irish "Whitley Paddys" (no offence intended), should Wycombe Wasps be cited as a nickname? Pollythewasp (talk) 13:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing prose

The first paragraph states "The men's first team, which forms London Wasps, was derived from Wasps Football Club who were formed in 1867 at the now defunct Eton and Middlesex Tavern in North London, at the turn of professionalism in 1999." Does this make sense? I've re-read it so many times now, I'm word-blind. Should I change it? Pollythewasp (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasps FC history

It occurs to me that the history here listed is actually the history of Wasps FC, and London Wasps (nee Wasps RFC) didn't exist until 1996. Would the history be in a more appropriate place if it was on the Wasps FC page? This is an encyclopedia, after all, not a book about 'The Wasps'. Pollythewasp (talk) 13:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ownership

I have added in a sentence reflecting the change in ownership from Steve Hayes to Derek Richardson YossariansChaplain (talk) 21:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The ownership and new ground sections seem to be mixed in together - should these not be split out or merged? OuEstLeBob (talk) 09:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hands, David (12 November 2007). The Times reference

What is going on with that reference? It goes to the home page of the website and offers a free trial. If there is a paywall surely there should be a warning. Mobile mundo (talk) 18:27, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Move without discussion

This page was moved without any discussion and a claim that it was merely "technical". Who ever wants to move the page should put a comment here, with the references that say this is the "common name" or the official name. I would also question whether there is a violation of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest given the name of the account making the request is "Wasps Official"Skeene88 (talk) 18:52, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Location

Is the club really only a square yard or so? Consider amending the location to an appropriate level of accuracy (maybe even a second is too accurate?) 2A02:C7F:A6FB:DE00:89E3:4C58:7C01:43BA (talk) 16:29, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure what you mean, the club is in Coventry and there doesn't seem to be any indication of the size of the stadium. Primefac (talk) 10:08, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The coordinates are given as {{Coord|52|26|53.00|N|1|29|44.00|W|type:landmark|display=title}} which suggests an accuracy of 1% of a second 2A02:C7F:A6FB:DE00:89E3:4C58:7C01:43BA (talk) 15:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I chuck that onto a map and it puts a pin pretty much at the centre of the stadium. Is that an issue? The "size" of the pin is somewhat irrelevant. Primefac (talk) 16:41, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The club currently has ceased trading and therefore does not have a location. To put this in context, Wasps last location was in Coventry. Does the pin need to be removed?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.69.178.20 (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Non neutral editing of article

There is a good discussion to be had on whether the article should currently be using the present or past tense for the team, how ever an unregistered editor is maliciously abusing that legitimate discussion to sneak in non-neutral POV into the lead paragraph of the article. At the present moment with an announced bidder I think the correct tense is the present one, as the club is factually in administration. Skeene88 (talk) 12:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The proposed text

Wasps Rugby Football Club is a professional rugby union team currently in administration with no staff or players and exists in name only. In September 2022, Wasps had debts of £112m and do not currently have a home ground.

The Reference

Wasps owner Derek Richardson vetoed £60m rescue package that could have saved club [1]https://archive.ph/gxOhp

1. Could you confirm where the non-neutrality POV is in the proposed text

2. Could you confirm that the club;

2a) Has no staff

2b) Has no players

2c) Exists in name only

2d) Had debts of £112m

2e) Does not currently have a home ground 90.247.135.179 (talk) 16:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

3. Can you confirm that the club (Wasps Holdings Ltd) has ceased trading ^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.247.135.179 (talk) 17:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

4 "At the present moment with an announced bidder I think the correct tense is the present one, as the club is factually in administration." - Skeene88

This is the actual non neutral editing of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.247.135.179 (talk) 17:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just because something such as the people being made redundant is factual it doesn't make it WP:DUE or WP:NEUTRAL to mention it in the first sentence. Wasps Holdings is currently in administration with a preferred bidder,^[2] with discussion on their location definitely a live issue^[3] others stating remaining in Coventry.^[4] I think having more details in the lead section is reasonable, and the due place to put that kind of information in the article would probably be after "their last trophy was in 2008" and before the details on Lee Blackett etc that could definitely be re-worded.Skeene88 (talk) 18:53, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think you are not applying due weight to the lead sentence in the proposal.

The lead sentence provides a foreshadowing of the Wiki entry. It is an accurate assessment of Wasps RFC current position, which is later explained in the entry.

It is of a neutral point of view and referenced. 90.247.135.179 (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed new lead

Wasps Rugby Football Club is a professional rugby union team currently in administration. They played in Premiership Rugby, the top division of English rugby until being suspended on 12 October 2022.^[5] On 17 October 2022 all staff were made redundant upon the club entering administration.^[6]
Founded in 1867 as Wasps Football Club, from 1923 to 1996 they were based at Repton Avenue in Sudbury, London. From 1996 to 2002 the team played at Loftus Road in Shepherd's Bush and from 2002 to 2014 they played at Adams Park in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. From 2014 their home ground was the Coventry Building Society Arena in north Coventry.
Wasps won 12 major titles. They were European Champions twice, in 2004 and 2007; won six English Championships including three in a row from 2003–05; and won three Anglo-Welsh Cups. They also won the 2003 European Rugby Challenge Cup. Wasps most recent trophy was the 2008 Premiership.
In their last completed season Wasps finished 9th. The most recent head coach was Lee Blackett who was appointed in February 2020,^[7] until being made redundant.

Skeene88 (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Skeene88: I agree your proposed lead is better. The rugby club still exists, and is currently suspended. It will continue in the Championship next year if new owners are found. Vanteloop (talk) 19:55, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/wasps-placed-into-administration-as-holding-company-ceases-trading-42072897.html
^ "Wasps: Offer to buy Premiership club accepted by administrators". BBC Sport. 30 October 2022.
^ "Wasps' London return backed by former England prop Phil Vickery". Coventry Evening Telegraph. 9 November 2022.
^ "Wasps name where they want to play if and when they return". RugbyPass. 18 October 2022.
^ "Wasps suspended from Premiership and set to enter administration 'within days'". BBC Sport. 12 October 2022. Retrieved 18 October 2022.
^ Cite error: The named reference :0 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ "Dai Young: Wasps director of rugby leaves Premiership club after nine years". BBC Sport. 2020-02-18. Retrieved 2020-02-18.

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There are 2 "ground" parms in the Infobox. The 2nd (empty) one should be deleted. Davemck (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Primefac (talk) 17:18, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In section regarding home grounds should it be added that Wasps' ownership of the CBS Arena ended on 17 November when the arena was purchase by Frasers Group who had a pre-signed deal to buy the stadium in administration? ^[1] Steven a91 (talk) 17:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like the headline foreshadowing request which was undone by Skeene88 may of been a good idea after all.

I am also struggling to understand why the location is Coventry when the club is not based at any location. Also, can the pin location be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.247.135.179 (talk) 20:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done Primefac (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Turner, Andy (17 November 2022). "Mike Ashley owns CBS Arena after decision made". CoventryLive. Retrieved 17 November 2022.

Past or present tense in article

As it stands Wasps are no more and do not exist in any shape as a team, therefore I think past tense is the correct format. Skeene88 (talk) 14:55, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/rugby/wasps-placed-into-administration-as-holding-company-ceases-trading-42072897.html

[2] "Wasps: Offer to buy Premiership club accepted by administrators". BBC Sport. 30 October 2022.

[3] "Wasps' London return backed by former England prop Phil Vickery". Coventry Evening Telegraph. 9 November 2022.

[4] "Wasps name where they want to play if and when they return". RugbyPass. 18 October 2022.

[5] "Wasps suspended from Premiership and set to enter administration 'within days'". BBC Sport. 12 October 2022. Retrieved 18 October 2022.

[:0-6] Cite error: The named reference :0 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[7] "Dai Young: Wasps director of rugby leaves Premiership club after nine years". BBC Sport. 2020-02-18. Retrieved 2020-02-18.

[8] Turner, Andy (17 November 2022). "Mike Ashley owns CBS Arena after decision made". CoventryLive. Retrieved 17 November 2022.

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