Talk:Warren Zevon/Archive 1

Archive 1

The Larry Sanders Show

I seem to remember him being a guest on one of the episodes of TLSS, where he REALLY didn't want to do Werewolves of London and Larry promised him he wouldn't have to... and then Larry announced Warren who would be playing Werewolves. :) Anyone want to see if they can find a transcript or something and add a bit to the article? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Logo

His logo, the skull smoking a cigarette, would say a lot about him and his style of music. Can we get it under free use? →Iñgōlemo← ^talk 20:49, 2005 May 7 (UTC)

"Old Velvet Nose" is the logo's name (even Warren refers to it as such in a journal entry in I'll Sleep When I'm Dead--just so that if anyone DOES get it, they can go ahead and give it the right label. FangsFirst 04:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot 03:30, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I just want to say I think this is a good page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.66.15 (talk) 11:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

First We Take Manhattan

Although Warren Zevon performed Leonard Cohen's First We Take Manhattan live a few times, I can find no evidence that he never recorded it (unless you're counting bootlegs of live shows). You might substitute Allen Toussaint's "A Certain Girl," which he recorded on Bad Luck Streak In Dancing School. That song is credited to Naomi Neville, a pseudonym for Toussaint. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.89.233 (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I find this statement marginal

so am moving it here to discuss.

"During the 1960s, Zevon also toured and recorded with Manfred Mann."

I am pretty familiar with Manfred Mann in the 1960s, amn recall no mention of Warren recording with them. And, given that Mann was the keyboard player for the band, it seems unlikely, but, I suppose, not impossible. This is rock & roll after all. I am hoping that someone can come up with a citation to support this claim. Otherwise, it goes. Carptrash (talk) 16:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Reconsider Me

MY NOVEL "RECONSIDER ME" NOT BEING ALLOWED BY WIKI WARDENS..ALTHOUGH MS. ZEVON'S "DIRTY LIFE..' IS LISTED WITH THE ISBN NUMBER?

I am not understanding why Ms. Zevon's book is permitted to be listed on this site and mine is not. Her book his heresay and none of the actions she portrays Warren Zevon doing can be proven. He died in 2003. She published the book in 2007, that is a four year period. A long time to shake ashes back to a human body and ask the man. You may obtain a free copy of my novel upon request. My novel is more believable and every word is true and can be proven in a court of law. My intention was to make it clear who Warren really was in my life and my world. Also in my son's and our daughter's. My book is new but long overdue. I only became aware of the book she wrote about Warren this past spring. I don't care about selling my novel... 75% of the proceeds from the novel are being donated. That is what Warren would have wanted. I am not understanding why such a smear of a rag that this woman wrote is so much more believable than my novel. My last name could very well have been Zevon but that was not my choice for my family at the time. Please choose wisely for Warren Zevon. Think about this for a moment. Alice Cooper was inducted into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for the year of 2010/However, Warren Zevon was not..why not we all wonder..his fans ask and wonder? The reason is clear..THIS IS THE REASON THE MAN HAS NOT BEEN INDUCTED INTO THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME.."HIS DIRTY LIFE...". NO FILTH WAS WRITTEN ABOUT ALICE COOPER..How can we even compare Warren Zevon with Alice Cooper??I think Alice Cooper has some merit but compared to Warren Zevon he's not even in the ballpark and we all know it!!

IT IS INTERESTING THAT ONE OF HIS FANS STATED IN A REVIEW OF THE "OTHER" BOOK..THAT "How could Warren Zevon possibly have had the time to write these songs, arrange the music, find musicians, practice, record his albums..or any of the other things he did such as appearances on TV shows or movies>? Where did he find time in his dirty life to do these nice clean wonderful things? Songs we love and our children grow to love??"

When Warren asked her to write this book he was already quite ill. The tumor had surrounded his lungs and he struggled to breathe. He was on oxygen when possible and was not getting enough oxygen to his brain. Possibly she might have realized that Warren was too ill to make such a decision that would continue to affect his family including his two grandchildren who are now in school. Even children in school will hear the Zevon name and the parent will be talking about what a dirtbag the grandpa was. This is quite disrespectful and shameful that such a thing could happen to this man. He was a decent man. I know. 'Read the book. '''I WILL GLADLY SEND YOU A FREE COPY UPON YOUR REQUEST.'

YOU KNOW..THIS SHOULD NOT BE SO CONFUSING TO USE..CAN YOU MAKE IT A BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY?? Rae murphy (talk) 03:37, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Hard to see how "every word is true and can be proven in a court of law" yet you call it a novel. Truth be told, you ramble like a panhandler. Too much drama. If you can type the name of your novel, your name, the name of the publisher (if any) and nothing else (that's very important) there should be no problem.

"Crazy in the head, crazy in the bed", but I don't wanna know.

Rae- The removal of your edits has nothing to do with the legitimacy of your book, but your edits do not follow the style and format of Wikipedia. Feel free to edit the article with a neutral point of view and cite your facts. The citations can be from your book if it is considered a reliable source (and ISBN does not necessarily prove reliability. Third party reviews are a better indication of the reliability of the source.) Feel free to include other sources that contradict or present other points of view. Refer to Wikipedia:Citing sources for details about citing sources.

Because your edits did not follow these standards and your kept on referring to your own book, your contributions were deleted as a violation of Wikipedia:No original research and self-promotion and advertising guidelines.

Thank you for your feedback. I will do my research on this subject.Rae murphy 21:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rae murphy (talk • contribs)

We welcome your insight but I suggest you take some time and read some other Wikipedia articles to better understand how good articles are constructed and improved. I look forward to your future contributions.Wkharrisjr (talk)

Mormon?

I've removed the "Latter-day Saint singers" and "... musicians" categories until someone can provide citation. Did Zevon self-identify as Mormon? Being from a Momron family is not enough. -Porlob 18:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I was Googling for a half hour, and the only reference I could find at all to his religion or lack thereof, was a reference at that says "As an adult, he practiced no religion." That still doesn't address the question of whether he might have identified as a "non-practicing Mormon" (is there such a thing?).

"VH1: Have you reconsidered your spirituality?

WZ: No. I've always been a Christian. People may find that bizarre, but I've always been a Graham Greene guy, haven't I? It's alluded to in many albums."

http://www.vh1.com/shows/dyn/inside_out/68383/episode_interviews_int.jhtml?start=1FangsFirst 04:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Graham Greene was neither a Mormon or any sort of a religious zealot. He wrote (among many other works) 'The Power and the Glory' a book that might be loosely interpreted as a description of Religion in general as an anachronism in industrialized society. I'm betting here that Zevon was playing one of his subtle, obscure jokes on the interviewer. 76.172.11.202 (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Graham Greene was a very strong catholic, and Zevon was a good Christian. You obviously hate those facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.246.164 (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Changed the first mention of him being a "Mormon" to "Latter-Day Saint, from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (The Mormons)". I don't know if he was one or not, but when discussing a member of the LDS church it's more appropriate to use this term. I'd leave Mormon in the title box and tags for ease of search and clarity. From LDS.org styleguide, ; and the Encyclopedia of Mormonism Project

Also, yes, there is such a thing as a "Non-Practicing Mormon". The common term for this is an "inactive member", but I'm not sure if that's official. The Encyclopedia of Mormonism uses both the terms "Disengaged" and "inactive". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.189.70.223 (talk) 01:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

References In Pop Culture

I am almost aghast that there is no mention here of the prominent use of Warren's song "Lawyers, Guns and Money" as the "build-up" sound bed leading into the highly crucial and poignant opening scene of the three vignette, star-studded classic "Grand Canyon". (1991 film by director/writer, Lawrence Kasdan - 'The Big Chill', 'The Body Guard')

Prior to taking a wrong turn off of the 105 Freeway into (then - still?) racially charged and crime-infested South Central Los Angeles, actor Kevin Kline (as "Mack") is gleefully dashboard drumming and singing at the top of his lungs to Warren's Third World gorilla war anthem, while breezily cruising toward a pending "brush with fate" in his BMW. Unfortunately, the theatrical trailer () depicts highlights from this amazing scene that begin just after the licensed exploitation of Zevon's songs appears in the film. When I saw this in the theater, I recall that Warren's career as a performing artist at the time was nearly non-existent, and despite the recognition and praise from Rock music's echelon and a major radio airplay "hit" years before with Linda Ronstadt's cover of "Poor Poor Pitiful Me", it seemed as if he had faded into near obscurity. This highly commercial "nod" from Hollywood's film industry at a time when Zevon had virtually disappeared from the music media's "radar", was the first awareness I had that Warren's genius had been elevated to "legendary" status and his songs would likely always be remembered. Patdahat (talk) 09:46, 9 September 2011 (UTC)patdahat (Honolulu, HI)

Citation needed tags

I am working on adding citations, but I don't think this article needs citations for facts that are covered in other Wikipedia articles. For example, this article includes a couple factoids about "Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner", along with a wikilink to the article about the song. I think that, in this (and other similar cases), as long as this article matches the linked article, this article doesn't need to duplicate the citations in the linked article. If I'm wrong about this, well, sorry. Rks13 (talk) 22:11, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

I am starting my work

on the Associated Acts section by removing Manfred Mann, unless someone comes up with why they are there. Were there. I also plan on removing others who were just sort of there during his career. And you will always get a chance to argue because I will always post changes here. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

peritoneal mesothelioma

As a medical student I find that his history of chronic cough inconsistent with peritoneal mesothelioma. Do you mean mesothelioma itself (which is a lung cancer)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.13 (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

The previous observations are incorrect. For the correct information, consult the Merck Manual of Diagnosis and Therapy, the gold standard, or its website http://www.merckmanuals.com. I'm surprised a medical student wouldn't have done that. Godofredo29 (talk) 00:15, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to add that the section "Cancer, death and The Wind", so criticized by some Wiki editor, rings very true and I'm not sure what could be added to it to improve it.Godofredo29 (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Bryn Mawr

I don’t know how relevant this is...

The Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania Wiki page cites Warren Zevon as one of its “Notable people” (and has since 2009).

There is a (bootleg?) album “Werewolves of Bryn Mawr”, a recording of a performance at The Main Point in 1976.

NB: There is no mention (currently) in this article.

MBG02 (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Anyone understand what this means: "most realized work" ..?

Second paragraph under sub-head Return to L.A. and major-label debut has this:

"The first edition of the Rolling Stone Record Guide (published in 1979) called it a masterpiece. The guide's latest edition (November 2004) calls it Zevon's most realized work."

I have no idea what "most realized work" means.

Anyone?

Absent an explanation this should be cut.

Rblack2001 (talk) 14:55, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

It would mean that he had a vision or goal; and that this album (of all his albums) “most realized“ (or achieved) it. MBG02 (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Spousal Abuse and Personal life section

I was wondering why Zevon’s abuse of multiple women (particularly his wife Crystal, which is detailed in the oral biography she was asked to write by him personally after he died) isn’t included in the personal life section, along with his relationships with Eve Babitz and Eleanor Mondale. The talk of his substance abuse feels all over the place and in my opinion, correlates to his personal life and relationships. CaleEnthusiast (talk) 04:03, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

I think personal life should be “personal relationships” since the personal crisis details his substance abuse. CaleEnthusiast (talk) 04:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)