Talk:Warren Schrader/GA1

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Reviewer: Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk · contribs) 16:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'll take this one. Feel free to query any of my comments or correct me!

Prelim

No duplicated links
Images look good
References look good
Infobox cited where necessary

Lead

I doubt there's a particular link available for the Channel Front, but linking it partially to the English Channel might be helpful to some

You are right in that there isn't a link for the Channel Front but I feel using English Channel instead may be a bit obscure. Zawed (talk) 08:50, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

Link Wellington - would also suggest linking draper and clerk

Done. Zawed (talk) 09:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Second World War

Is his joining the RNZAF in the same month as his twentieth birthday coincidental or was this the first opportunity he would have had to join up?

In WWII, New Zealanders could join up at 18 but serve overseas they had to be 20. I don't have a source that explicitly states this as the motivation for Schrader though. Zawed (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you expand on why training continued in Canada and perhaps what this specifically was?

It was under the Air Training Scheme, I have added a link. Zawed (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly does "flying cover for the amphibious attack" mean in this instance? It sounds to me like he just flew above the landings and watched, which I don't expect was the case!

Have revised this section to provide context. Zawed (talk) 10:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Sicily

Done. Zawed (talk) 10:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, could you expand on what he was actually doing to "provide cover for Operation Husky"?

I have rephrased. Zawed (talk) 09:36, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"the squadron had upgraded to Mk. IX Spitfires" - what does this mean for Schrader? Faster, more manoeuvrable, etc?

Yes, it was a newer version of the Spitfire. Zawed (talk) 09:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"conversion course on the Hawker Tempest" > "conversion course for the Hawker Tempest"

Done. Zawed (talk) 09:33, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"In March, and now a flight lieutenant" - is the date of promotion known? And for that matter what happened to flying officer?!

Unfortunately I don't have a date for the promotion (not even from the London Gazette surprisingly), which is why I had to phrase it this way. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link flight lieutenant

Linked. Zawed (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"to join No. 486 (NZ) Squadron" - I assume he's flying Tempests here but that could be clarified

Clarified. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Schrader shot down a series of enemy aircraft " - is this series of victories the 190s on 10, 15, 16, and 21 April? If so the majority of this "quick succession" is described in a different paragraph, and when reading it the first time I assumed the actions in the second paragraph of Europe were a different series of events to the "quick succession" of the first paragraph.

I have rejigged this section. Zawed (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Hopsten

Linked. Zawed (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"He destroyed two more Fw 190s on 15 April, in one of the squadron's most successful engagements for several enemy aircraft were shot down that day during a single patrol." > "He destroyed two more Fw 190s on 15 April in one of the squadron's most successful engagements, with several enemy aircraft being shot down in a single patrol."

Rephrased as suggested. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"His command of No. 486 Squadron was made permanent the same day." - is this when he is promoted to squadron leader?

It is not clear when exactly he was promoted; either when taking over command in an acting capacity, or when it was made permanent presumably. I have added mention of "Now a squadron leader". Zawed (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Two more Bf 109s were destroyed on 29 April over the Lauenburg bridgehead with another damaged" - are these his victories or those of his squadron? Could be made clearer despite the following sentence

Clarified. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link sortie

Done. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link Luneberg

Done. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"he destroyed three aircraft on the ground" - out of pure interest, did one of these count as the "first enemy aircraft destroyed by a British fighter-jet" or did that have to be airborne?

No, I have clarified that it would have to have been shot down. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number format; you have "11 enemy aircraft" but "two more destroyed", etc

Sorted. Zawed (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Might it be noted that he "flew only six operational flights in the jets", per the Otago Daily Times article?

Added. Zawed (talk) 09:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link undercarriage

Done.

"Promoted to wing commander, Schrader was given command" - could you provide a more specific date?

Unfortunately no. As per my previous comment, I have little info on when his promotions occurred. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"given command of a wing" - you name his squadron commands so it would make sense if possible to name this wing too

I don't have the designation/name of the wing. Zawed (talk) 09:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Later life

The Air New Zealand article states that the NAC-ANZ merger occurred in 1978, two years after Schrader's retirement, thus the merger information doesn't seem relevant to him

Delete that merger info. Zawed (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"he retired from the NAC"

Done. Zawed (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have for now, please ping me and comment as necessary. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pickersgill-Cunliffe, thank you for the thorough review. I have made a number of edits here and responded above. Cheers, Zawed (talk) 09:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Having made a few minor tweaks to links and sentencing that I hope you'll have no issue with, I am happy to pass this article. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]