Talk:WRNY (New York City)

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This article is about a magazine publisher's obsession with television. Hugo Gernsback possibly coined the term "television" in the December 1909 issues of Modern Electrics. He started WRNY in 1925 and began work on television broadcasting in early 1928. His company was bankrupt a year later.

I have looked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television Stations. The projects have an infobox that does not fit the WRNY article. By fit, I mean contents and size. WRNY was a radio station that is notable for its television broadcast. In a three year period it broadcast on 5 different wavelengths and had 2 transmitter sites. It also simulcast on the shortwave band. The station was notable under the first owner and not the final owner. I am not sure if the fields in the infobox cover this and if they do the size of the infobox would be huge.

Most radio and television station articles have few if any images so a large infobox is not a problem. The WRNY article is image rich and the infobox would displace 2 or 3 images. This would be a very poor tradeoff. If either project claims this article, please don't force an infobox on it. (I use infoboxes in my other articles but I feel they would damage this article.)

-- SWTPC6800 (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK Citations

"... that the alleged pirate radio station WRNY began broadcasting in 1928 to thousands of New York City viewers with homemade televisions (pictured) until stopped by the authorities?"

Most public libraries have free access to the New York Times archives. The standard web based version requires a membership. You can search the web archive for free; the headlines and first paragraph will verify these citations.

The New York Times archive is here http://www.nytimes.com/ref/membercenter/nytarchive.html

Pirate

Court action will be opened against alleged "pirate" broadcasters who are said to have invaded the rights of station WHN, atop the Loew State Theatre Building, 1540 Broadway, according to George Schublel, director of the station.

"We feel that we have just cause for complaint. Station WRNY, which moved last week from the Hotel Roosevelt, to New Jersey, opposite 181st Street, and now operating on the 375-meter wave, is the worst offender."

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY priate

• "WHN Says It Will Sue WRNY as 'Pirate'; Gives Hylan Case in Wave Length Dispute". New York Times. November 27, 1926. p. 19.

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY Ultimatum

• "Ultimatum By WHN Delivered To WRNY". New York Times. November 28, 1926. p. 28.

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY Remedy Conflict

• "Station Announces It Will Send Engineer to Help Remedy Conflict in Waves if Transmitter Causes Mix-up in the Air". New York Times. December 5, 1926. p. XX21.

Broadcasting

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY television fall

• "Television For All Planned This Fall". New York Times. April 23, 1928. p. 18.

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY television daily

• "WRNY to Start Daily Television Broadcasts; Radio Audience Will See Studio Artists". New York Times. August 13, 1928. p. 13.

Time Magazine

• "Visual Broadcasting". Time. 12 (9). August. 27, 1928. Retrieved August 3, 2008. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

Build Sets

Search New York Times Archive for - WRNY television construction

• "Interest Increasing In Radio Television: Station WRNY Report Flood of Inquiries on Construction of Receiving Apparatus". New York Times. July 4, 1928. p. 14.

The construction plans from the magazines can be found on the commons.

• "How to Build the S & I Television Receiver". Science and Invention. 16 (7): pp. 618–620, 632–636. November 1928. Retrieved August 9, 2008. {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help)

• "How to Make Your Own Television Receiver". Radio News. 10 (5): pp. 422–425, 466. November 1928. Retrieved August 7, 2008. {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help)

FRC Ends AM Band TV

• Hertzberg, Robert (January 1929). "Television: The Latest Developments in the Field". Radio News. 10 (6): p. 630. {{cite journal}}: |pages= has extra text (help)

Search New York Times Archive for - Stop Television Broadcast Band

• "To Stop Television In Broadcast Band". New York Times. December 23, 1928. p. 15.

Bankruptcy

Search New York Times Archive for - Radio News Receiver

• "Radio News Publisher In Hands Of Receiver". New York Times. February 21, 1929. p. 36.

TIME Magazine

• "Curtis Follows Hearst. Bankruptcy de luxe". Time. April 8, 1929. Retrieved July 31, 2008.

SWTPC6800 (talk) 01:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Number of televisions

Where is the evidence for the very dubious claim that "thousands" of New Yorkers had built home-made television receivers?Eregli bob (talk) 14:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Good question Bob.

There are numerous reliable sources that say there were 2000 mechanical scan televisions in New York City in late 1928. Some even say there were 2000 for the August broadcast. Experimental television had been on the shortwave bands since April 1928. There is no way of knowing the exact count. There were 2 or 3 million radio receivers in the New York City metropolitan area. (The government did a survey, I can find the number.) The television receiver was a typical project for radio hobbyist of the time. All of the parts and complete kits could be purchased on Radio Row in lower New York City. I doubt that 2000 sets were watching in August 1928. It is believable that there were 2000 by the end of November 1928 when the FRC stopped the TV broadcast on the AM band. I will add some references tonight. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

First U.S. demonstration of TV

On April 7, 1927, a group of newspaper reporters and dignitaries gathered at the AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories auditorium in New York City to see the first American demonstration of something new: television. Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover provided the “entertainment,” as his live picture and voice were transmitted over telephone lines from Washington, D.C., to New York.

• http://scienceservice.si.edu/pages/097004.htm

• http://www.corp.att.com/history/television/

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