Talk:Wär Gott nicht mit uns diese Zeit, BWV 14/GA1

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Reviewer: Iadmc (talk · contribs) 14:54, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

First, why Luther not JS Bach in the image? This article is about the setting not the Hymn (which is dealt with elsewhere). That was my first impression: so, until that is sorted all else is irrelevent, IMHO... Thanks!

We have only one image of Bach on the commons. He is about 25 years too old for this composition. It would be the same for all his compositions, so doesn't give the reader any clue. Most of them will have seen it anyway. For the chorale cantatas, we often have the image of the hymnwriter. Best images are Bach's handwritings, next best gospel scene in a contemporary image, but those two options are not available here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Alternatively, WP:lead images are not compulsory according to the relevant guidance. I researched Commons yesterday to see whether I could find an image that "illustrate[s] the topic [of the article] specifically" (emphasis added), as the relevant guidance has it, but could find none. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:43, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Repeating: for the chorale cantatas, we often have the image of the hymnwriter, - a reader of several cantatas almost knows it's a chorale cantata by seeing the face of a hymn writer. Also: the hymn is mentioned in the lead as the basis for the cantata. Restoring the stable version. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

I heard you the first time. Idiosyncratic habits don't supersede relevant guidance, as you have been told before. That's why I quoted guidance, not the habits that determined what happened on other articles. --Francis Schonken (talk) 13:08, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Since this review began, Francis Schonken changed the article to his liking, finally this. Close please, and please restore the stable version. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 18 August 2017 (UTC)