Talk:Voydan Popgeorgiev – Chernodrinski

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Please keep in mind that he is mainly considered as a "Macedonian Bulgarian" in international sources as well as him being claimed by both sides therefore he should be regarded as such rather than as only Macedonian or only Bulgarian. Fepde2nd (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

Fepde2nd, starting talk page discussion even though the onus is on you to gain consensus for disputed changes. Do you not see how redundant it is to write "was a Macedonian Bulgarian playwright from the region of Macedonia"? The sentence before already confirmed that, so your change is unnecessary and tautological. StephenMacky1 (talk) 14:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, If we are speaking about redundancy your article is not only quite redundant but outright illogical claiming he was a Bulgarian who got claimed by Macedonians in the 50s due to the sole reason of being from the region of Macedonia. Fepde2nd (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is part of his legacy. A historical figure can be seen differently by another country. You should self-revert because you are in violation of WP:3RR. By the way, "Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia" means "Macedonian Bulgarian", so it is completely redundant to restore your tautology. StephenMacky1 (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed however It is not correct to state that his ethnic and\or national identity was suddenly claimed by another nation after the second world war. Also a reminder that you are also in violation of WP:3RR. And the meaning of "Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia" and "Macedonian Bulgarian" can mean two different things entirely since one meaning he identifies as only Bulgarian while the other meaning He identifies as a Bulgarian but either has a regional Macedonian identity or in other cases is legally a Macedonian citizen. (In this case he certainly has a regional identity meaning it's more logical for him to be addressed as a "Macedonian Bulgarian" rather then a "Bulgarian from the region of Macedonia". Fepde2nd (talk) 15:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should self-revert in good faith, so that this does not have to end up on a noticeboard. You are nitpicking over nothing. The context is clear here regarding Chernodrinski and it does not change the fact that you are restoring tautology. StephenMacky1 (talk) 16:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not considering as pointed out earlier can be interpreted as something completely different so as to not cause any confusion it's best if it stays as is as not only is the definition of "Macedonian Bulgarian" clear and liked but also provides context to the more broad history between not only the Region but the two states as well. Fepde2nd (talk) 16:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No source was provided on the changes done into the article. Moreover, as pointed above, Macedonian Bulgarian from Macedonia is a nonsense. There is no consensus for these changes~, too. Jingiby (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]