Talk:Voting/Archive 1
Series icon
[edit]The icon used with this entire series is only symbolic of voting in some democracies. In countries that use the single-transferable vote system, digits are used to mark candidates and not ticks or crosses.
Electoral system
[edit]The discussion of electoral systems duplicates with electoral system. David.Monniaux 04:57, 21 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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Voting rights
[edit]This isn't clear. What happened to the right to vote or to stand for election in those years? -phma
The "right to vote" is something different from voting, and the list also includes the right to be elected, so I suggested a different page for the list of countries. The right to vote exists much longer, as the first democracies arose in ancient Greece. Also, for many countries you are listing universal (or for all men) suffrage, while most countries have had the possibility to vote for a long time, be it for a limit group of people, or with a different system. Jeronimo
I posted this to User talk:DennisDaniels because the timeline confused me too.
Hey, I tried to clean up the timeline at Vote so it was easier to read and realized I don't know what it's a timeline of. What does it mean when you include the qualifier "to stand for elections?" Does that mean in addition to the right to vote? What if the qualifier says "right to vote"? Also, what is your source? Myanmar was called Burma in 1935, and the FYR of Macedonia did not exist in 1946. I'm pretty sure Croatia, Uzbekistan, Krygyrztan and Kazakhstan did not exist at the time they're on your list as well. What are you referring to? The US is on in 1920, so you're obviously not referring to universal suffrage. You need to explain exactly what this list is talking about, because I had assumed it was universal suffrage.
A timeline of the development of voting would be interesting (though it should probably be a separate article), but it needs to be clear at which stages the right was granted to which people (based on sex, race, age, criminal history, political status, etc). Tokerboy 19:26 Oct 21, 2002 (UTC)
Removed from page because it doesn't make sense. For instance how can voting be a recent development in democracies or how can you stand for election in the US in 1788 (and why is that even in the list) if you can't vote in the U.S. until 1920? --rmhermen
The Right to Vote is not universal and in fact is a fairly recent phenomenon. Women especially were restricted at times at times only being able to vote, then eventually being able to stand for election. The timeline that follows is not necessarily complete or 100% accurate but it stands a starting point for government scholars to clarify.
- Norway -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Norway - some restrictions lifted
- Canada -restrictions placed on certain groups,
- Netherlands -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Austria
- Canada restricted
- Estonia
- Georgia
- Germany
- Hungary
- Ireland
- Kyrgyzstan
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Poland
- Russian Federation
- United Kingdom -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Belarus
- Belgium -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands restrictions lifted
- New Zealand -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Sweden-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Ukraine
- Albania
- Canada-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Czech Republic
- Slovakia
- United States of America -universal suffrage
- Armenia
- Azerbaijan
- Belgium -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Georgia
- Sweden limitations lifted
- Kazakhstan1
- Mongolia
- Saint Lucia
- Tajikistan
- Turkmenistan
- Ireland restrictions lifted,
- United Kingdom restricitons lifted
- South Africa (Whites)
- Turkey (to vote)
- Maldives
- Thailand
- Uruguay
- Philippines
- Bolivia- -restrictions placed on certain groups,
- Uzbekistan
- El Salvador-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Panama- -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Dominican Republic
- Croatia
- Guyana (to stand for election)
- Indonesia
- Italy
- Japan
- Senegal
- Slovenia
- Togo
- Cameroon
- D.P.R. of Korea
- Djibouti-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Guatemala
- Liberia
- Myanmar-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Panama
- Romania
- The F.Y.R. of Macedonia
- Trinidad and Tobago
- Venezuela
- Viet Nam
- Yugoslavia
- Argentina
- Japan
- Malta
- Mexico (to vote)
- Pakistan
- Singapore
- Belgium
- Israel
- Niger
- Republic of Korea
- Seychelles
- Suriname
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Chile
- China
- Costa Rica
- Syrian Arab Republic-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Barbados
- Haiti
- India
- Antigua and Barbuda
- Dominica
- Grenada
- Nepal
- Saint Kitts
- Nevis
- Saint Vincent
- Grenadines
- Bolivia
- Côte d'Ivoire
- Greece
- Lebanon
- Bhutan
- Guyana -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Mexico -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Syrian Arab Republic full rights
- Belize
- Colombia
- Ghana
- Cambodia
- Eritrea
- Ethiopia
- Honduras
- Nicaragua
- Peru
- Benin
- Comoros
- Egypt
- Gabon
- Mali
- Mauritius
- Somalia
- Malaysia
- Zimbabwe -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Burkina Faso
- Chad
- Guinea
- Lao P.D.R.
- Nigeria (South)
- Madagascar
- San Marino-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Tunisia
- United Republic of Tanzania
- Cyprus
- Gambia
- Tonga
- Bahamas
- Burundi
- El Salvador (women's rigth to stand for election)
- Malawi
- Mauritania
- Paraguay
- Rwanda
- Sierra Leone
- Algeria
- Australia (?)
- Monaco
- Uganda
- Zambia
- Afghanistan
- Congo
- Equatorial Guinea
- Fiji
- Iran (Islamic Republic of)
- Kenya
- Morocco
- Papua New Guinea (-restrictions placed on certain groups)
- Bahamas
- Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
- Papua New Guinea-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Sudan
- Bostwana
- Lesotho
- Democratic Republic of the Congo-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Ecuador
- Kiribati
- Tuvalu
- Yemen (D.P. R.)
- Nauru
- Swaziland
- Andorra-restrictions placed on certain groups,
- Democratic Republic of the Congo (women's right to stand for election)
- Yemen (Arab Republic)
- Andorra-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Bahrain
- San Marino -restrictions placed on certain groups
- Jordan
- Solomon Islands
- Angola
- Cape Verde
- Mozambique
- Sao Tome and Principe
- Vanuatu
- Portugal -restrictions removed
- Guinea Bissau
- Nigeria (North)
- Republic of Moldova
- Zimbabwe-restrictions placed on certain groups
- Marshall Islands
- Micronesia (Fed. States)
- Palau
- Iraq
- Vanuatu
- Liechtenstein
- South Africa (People of Color + Indians)
- Central African Republic
- Djibouti -restrictions placed on certain groups
1993 [
- [Kazakhstan]]
- Republic of Moldova
- South Africa (Blacks)
- the right to vote for women is new. to stand for election means the right for women to stand for election. I've tried to generalize a bit but still maintain a general timeline of events for various levels of franchise for each country...
- If this is a timeline of woman's suffrage, it belongs there, not here. Tokerboy 14:00 Oct 22, 2002 (UTC)
- ok, any other opinions before I make the move?-dgd
- May I also recommend organizing it as follows: Tokerboy 14:19 Oct 22, 2002 (UTC)
- 1915
- 1917
- Canada (restrictions placed on certain groups)
- Netherlands (restrictions placed on certain groups)
- 1918
- looks good to me! -dgd
Excuse me, but New Zealand Gave women the right to vote before the united states did Taifarious1 05:44, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Merging this page
[edit]I think this content should be merged into Election and mainly Voting system. Lot of duplication and the other articles are stronger, and I can't think of what you would cover under vote that wouldn't fit under one of the others, or under suffrage. Suggest this page redirects to suffrage. May do it myself if I find time. --Cjnm 16:02, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) I think the content should be merged into election also --Wompa99 00:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't merge
[edit]I don't think that this page should be merged. Instead, I think it should be an overview of the different aspects of a democratic process: suffrage, the electoral system, and the voting system. These are three complementary aspects of voting, and none of them encompasses the others so much that it should have vote redirect to it.
Incidentally, I'd say the most serious thing wrong with this page right now is the section on "more esoteric vote types". This section is needlessly confusing, and I'm fairly sure no viable system like that exists. If it did, it would be way more obscure than even the most uncommon methods on the voting system page. How about we remove this section?
RSpeer 15:45, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
Removing all external links
[edit]Not a single external link belonged in this article. These links included:
- a majority of links about electronic voting, which belong on that article, not here
- Someone's blog entry (about, I believe, electronic voting)
- A new site (also about electronic voting) with 4 incoming links
- A site about liberal US politics
Can anybody find a good external link about voting in general that is not tied to a particular electoral system or the politics of some region? Then again, such a thing may not exist except on Wikipedia -- so perhaps we don't need external links.
RSpeer 17:45, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
I think that this article should be renamed to voting. Scott Ritchie's user page has a good rationale for why, but in short, the title "vote" seems to come from being overly literal about the rule to prefer nouns, and it's inconsistent with other titles like bloc voting or cumulative voting. The article is mainly about the process of voting, not about individual votes. I'm going to be bold and rename it. rspeer 02:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Merge with ballot
[edit]I found an article on ballots recently, and it seems like what goes there should go in here (this article doesn't even link to the ballot article, instead bolding ballot as though it were already a part.) This seems like a sensible merge, as you can't have voting without ballots, you can't have ballots without voting, and both articles are rather short and duplicitous at the moment now. Scott Ritchie 04:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- OPPOSE merge - voting is an action - a ballot is the thing with which you vote - once ballot is fully expanded (currently no section on absentee ballot, etc.) it'll be too large to fit in an article about Voting anyway. --Tim4christ17 09:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Tim4christ17. UnDeadGoat 16:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Support because one is releated to the other.--GorillazFan Adam 22:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Tim4christ17. --Wine Guy 05:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose per Tim4christ17. --Dakart 04:50, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- I oppose this merge as I disagree with the above statement "you can't have ballots without voting". For example, in sensory analysis, the responses of panel members is made on a ballot. This is not a method of voting, but a method of recording responses. Voting can involve a ballot (although does it necessarily have to, e.g. telephone voting?) but ballots are not necessarily a form of voting. --GuillWallace 22:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
- I oppose this merge as ballots are clearly a distinct but related part of elections. One does not need a ballot to vote e.g. voting by saying 'aye' or raising a hand. --Jpkitcat 20:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Voting explained!
[edit]http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/6963/zwhat3jf.jpg JayW 18:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
add "Responsible Voting" section
[edit]I think we should summarize what it is to be a responsible voter. I think some quotes from philsophers, pictures, etc would be good.
CALfallen 05:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I disagree with the proposal, although I agree with the sentiment. WP is not here to give moral guidance. Mccready 09:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I thinkm it might be appropriate, for this reason: to try to talk about voting without addressing morality can be a slippery slope! The very concept of voting is based on a moral judgement: that "the people" should have a say in their lives, in who rules them, and in what the rules (laws) say. When it comes to voting for/against laws (propositions, even bond measures) one must understand the moral implications of the possible outcomes of a vote.
- The proposal does raise interesting, and difficult questions. But the sentiment that there are authoritative sources to draw upon is correct, and quite Wikipedian. Not that I'm an authoritative Wikipedian! -Tzf 23:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
responsible voting is within the context of voting so the section should be there. It should outline the POINT of voting. And WHY we vote and hence what makes for a responsible vote forms part of that. WP is not being partisan by outlining this concept. 8:32pm 19 may 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.145.211.28 (talk) 18:32, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
IRO: Instant Run Off?
[edit]I would like to see Instant Run Off covered, including the technological implementation of it. I looked for an article on IRO, but did not find one. I don't know if it should be a distinct article, but it seems like it might be a big enough topic that it should be. I know little about it - which is why I was looking for an article on it - but in a recent conversation with a local politician, I found she knew even less than I, and had concerns that I had not thought of! -Tzf 23:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Done. It is a big enough topic that instant-runoff voting is now a distinct article. --DavidCary (talk) 13:46, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Not Voting
[edit]This article has a section called "reasons for voting." For balance, then, shouldn't there be a section called "reasons for not voting"? RobertAustin 13:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Types of votes section needs cleanup/rewrite
[edit]The "Types of votes" section is extremely poor: it is unclear and contains information that pertains only to some states; and its wording is verbose. I tried to improve it but couldn't manage. Could someone rewrite it or clarify, simplify, and correct it? I think it definitely warrants attention. dmyersturnbull ⇒ talk 03:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
AFRICA
[edit]A. Essential readings: 1. B. Mayer. (2000). The Dynamics of conflict Resolution: a Practioners Guide: an Fransisco:Jossey-Bass(chapter 9) 2. Accord (2004) Training in Mediation: Seeking African solution to African Challenges Through a Participatory Learning Process: Mhlanga : ACCORD(P 7- 93) 3. B. Mayer . (2004). Beyond Neutrality: Confronting the Crisis in Conflict Resolution: an Francisco Jossey-Basse. (Chapter 3-4)
B. Recommended Readings:
Hizkias Assefa, Mediation of Civil Wars: Approaches and
Strategies. The Sudan Conflict (Boulder, Colorado, West view Press, 1987). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.201.157.198 (talk) 19:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
History section
[edit]Can we have a history section? Faro0485 (talk) 11:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC) Perhaps the early Greek democracies could be talked about. Switzerland could be included for being a very old democracy.NRB.12345 (talk) 03:40, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Wiki gold trophy article voting
[edit]where can i find the thing to attatch to an article on a page so that i can vote for it and see what other articles have most ip votes at given time stamps —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.143.4.107 (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#featured_content —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.143.4.107 (talk) 17:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
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