Talk:Vladimir Vuković

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Oppose, should remain as it is, because he was not American, he only authored his English-language books under the simplified name Vukovic.--Ioannes Pragensis 10:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But that is the major factor influencing the way he is best known in English, which is the relevant factor under Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Gene Nygaard 14:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ioannes Pragensis and Gene Nygaard, I know it's an old thread but it appears that all English language editions of his books used Vladimir Vuković. If there were any that used Vukovic they are both out of print and not showing up no sites such as Abebooks.

For "Art of Attack in Chess" there's:

Pergamon Press (1965) uses Vuković at least in editions since 1974. I can't find a cover image for an older copy. http://www.amazon.com/dp/0080111963 shows a cover.
Everyman Chess (formerly known as Cadogan Chess) http://www.amazon.com/dp/1857444000/ uses Vuković. All of the Cadogan editions going back the first edition in 1993 use Vuković.

The Vladimir Vuković WP article mentions an "Oxford-London 1963" edition though links to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1857444000/ which is an Everyman edition. Pergamon Press was started in London and moved to Oxford. I'm wondering if "Oxford-London 1963" is a mangled form of Pergamon Press further mangled as it seems Pergamon's first printing was in 1965.

Similarly, it appears the English language editions of "The Chess Sacrifice" also use Vuković. this link shows two Abebook seller listings with covers. One is G. Bell and Sons, Ltd., London (1968) and the other is David McKay Co, New York (1968) with both covers showing Vuković. The later Ishi Press, United States, 2009 reprint also uses Vuković.^[1] --Marc Kupper|talk 06:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update and correction. I found that the Cadogan 1993 trade paperback edition of Art of Attack in Chess has "V. Vukovic" on the front cover and uses an initial "The" in the title (The Art of Attack in Chess).^[2] Cadogan reprinted in 1995 but I was not able to find a reliable cover image for that edition and so don't know how the author name was formatted. Usually when a publisher says "reprinted" they have not made any changes from the earlier edition. We'll assume the 1995 edition looks exactly like the 1993 version.

In 1998 Cadogan introduced the John Nunn version. Again it's not clear which author name they used on the front cover. I have the 2000 reprint which uses Art of Attack in Chess without the initial "The" and by Vladimir Vuković on the front cover and The Art of Attack in Chess by Vladimir Vuković on the title page. I'll assume the 1998 revised edition and its 1999 reprint both used Vladimir Vuković.

Something else to keep in mind is that we should also be checking the title page. Catalog listings in libraries generally use what's stated on the title page supplemented by what's available on the title verso or copyright page. That can result in confusion on if the title is Art of Attack in Chess which is on the covers of the current in-print edition or The Art of Attack in Chess which is on the title page of the current in-print edition. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography

Something that needs to get pinned down with WP:RS is are the titles and initial publication dates for Vuković's books. When I list a title "in quotes" it is a translation using https://translate.google.com. Titles in italics are the stated titles in Croatian, German, and English.

Extracting from Vuković's Croatian and Russian language Wikipedia articles (hr:Vladimir Vuković and ru:Вукович, Владимир) we have:

Razvoj šahovskih ideja (Zagreb : Autora, 1928) ("The development of chess ideas")^[1]
Uvod u šah (Zagreb, 1946) ("Introduction to Chess") An expanded and revised second edition was published in 1947.^[2]^[3]
Suvremena teorija otvorenja (Zagreb, 1947) ("The modern theory of the opening")
Od Steinitza do Botvinika (Zagreb, 1949 — 50) ("From Steinitz to Botvinnik")
Škola kombiniranja ("School of combining")
Umijeće šahovskog napada (Zagreb, 1959) (English language publication as The Art of Attack in Chess in 1965)
Šahovska žrtva (1964) (English language publication as The Chess Sacrifice). The Croatian article says this was written in German meaning Das Buch vom Opfer : Technik, Kunst und Wagnis im Opferschach published by Engelhardt in 1964 is would be the first edition. The Russian language article says "Zagreb, 1964" indicating the first edition was in Croatian.
Antologija šahovskog majstorstva Jugoslavije (Zagreb, 1972) "Anthology of Chess Mastery, Yugoslavia" by Vladimir Vuković, Braslav Rabar, Dražen Marović. Note, the Russian Wikipedia and some other sources seem to have misspelled "majstorstva" as "maistorstva".

--Marc Kupper|talk 21:37, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Editions of 'Razvoj šahovskih ideja'". OCLC WorldCat. 1928 first edition plus reprints in 1972 and 1986
^ "Editions of 'Uvod u šah'". OCLC WorldCat. 1946 first edition and 1947 expanded and revised edition
^ "Editions of 'Uvod u šah'". OCLC WorldCat. 1973, 1980 and 1990 reprints

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[1] "Editions of 'Razvoj šahovskih ideja'". OCLC WorldCat. 1928 first edition plus reprints in 1972 and 1986

[2] "Editions of 'Uvod u šah'". OCLC WorldCat. 1946 first edition and 1947 expanded and revised edition

[3] "Editions of 'Uvod u šah'". OCLC WorldCat. 1973, 1980 and 1990 reprints

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