Talk:Vladimir Pozner Jr.

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Where did Posner come from?

Somebody anonymously posted the following into the article:

Correction: V.V.Posner was born in Paris, France. His family moved to the USA at the time of the Nazi occupation of France. Vladimir Vladimerovich's father's name was also Vladimir, so I doubt that he was named after Lenin.

Will research and correct if necessary. --AStanhope 22:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge & disambiguate: VAP (father) & VVP (son)

Still need two articles, but VVP's full name only appears in the VAP article. Billbrock 21:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See also : VLADIMIR (Salomonovitch) POZNER French writer, born in Paris in 1905, died in Paris in 1992. more information : www.pozner.com www.pozner.fr

Surname spelling: why "Posner"

On the covers of both of his books ("Parting With Illusions" (1990) and "Eyewitness" (1992)) his last name is spelled "Pozner". It is easily verifiable.--Sergei (talk) 15:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that his surname is Pozner ("Posner" is the German-language transliteration of Познер), and propose that the article title be changed accordingly. -- Picapica (talk) 00:59, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Picapica: Done. SUM1 (talk) 20:04, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bold italics in "Shows"

Does anyone know why they're there? And are they necessary? Modal Jig (talk) 14:43, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think they assist in pronounciation, denoting the syllable that is stressed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.108.143 (talk) 15:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article improvement

This article as it now stands (June 2013) really gives no indication that during the era of the Soviet Union, Pozner was just a mouthpiece for whatever the official Russian line was, and thus wasn't a real commentator at all...and as soon as The Soviets fell, he did an immediate about face, coming clean about the communist period and reality. It would NOT be POV to point out his position while a USSR mouthpiece. Unlike a paid rep for a company, or even government, where you know who they are and what their assignment is, Pozner was advertised as a jounalist and commentator, clearly not possible under the Soviet system! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.228.229 (talk) 14:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

===Mouthpieces for corporations who aren't real commentators and change their minds with their bosses! So you mean his function was like Wolf Blitzer, Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow or the lunkheads at Fox? I think "commie mouthpiece" on Posner's bio is a small price to pay for "corporate shill," on the bios of American news-readers. Deal?2604:2000:F0C8:ED00:C121:2815:6E85:634B (talk) 02:43, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Soviet propaganda again

Reading this article was like Pozner is just another legitimate journalist, when much of his career was in Soviet propaganda. He was not "representing and explaining the views", he was deceiving and lying.^[1] This information should not be buried. Stop making him appear like nice old man who just told Soviet story. He lied and admitted. It should be in the introduction because it define such a large period of his lifetime.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 01:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

During the Soviet-era, journalists, to no one's surprise, worked as propagandists. This is not "buried" and there is plenty of information in the career section. Whether it is appropriate to dedicate a sentence in the lead to these remarks specifically requires a discussion first. You have made some problematic edits here like this which obviously violated WP:NPOV and WP:NOR, and it is clear you have something against him over this. You need to carefully follow WP:BLP. Mellk (talk) 08:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This person has spent decades in propaganda, so long that one can say it is definitive of his career, and that should be mentioned sooner rather than later. It is not minor detail to be buried many pages down. What may not "surprise" you, could be surprising to other people, so omitting this is unacceptable. To only say that Pozner was "memorable as a spokesman for the Soviets" is a gross understatement and the type of euphemism that only Soviet propaganda would be cynical enough to say. We should strive for better here--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 20:12, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no need for such hyperbole. It is detailed extensively in the career section. The first sentence is literally: Pozner began his career as "quote, unquote a journalist" – unwittingly, by his own account – in a disinformation department of the KGB. The section details his career in the Soviet Union from the 1960s to 1980s, but for some reason you think the lead should be worded as if he has still been a Soviet propagandist for the last 30 to 40 years. I am not opposed to changing the lead to mention this role in propaganda and better phrase it, but I don't appreciate you edit warring and exaggerating. Kindly follow WP:BRD rather than doing that. I tried to discuss this, but you seem to only be interested in edit warring. Mellk (talk) 21:25, 6 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I not exagerate anything. I think when so many decades are spent in propaganda, this should be disclosed as one of the first things of the article, not in some section down the page. Need to cut to the chase and not beat around bush. "spokesman for the Soviets" is too euphimistic to leave at just that.--LeontinaVarlamonva (talk) 17:33, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LeontinaVarlamonva: You suggested that in the article's current state, this information was "buried many pages down". But this is besides the point, the lead does not adequately summarise the article anyway. I have added to the lead so that it includes more that is written in the article which is important and mentions this role of propaganda. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Mellk (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Владимир Познер – Ксении Собчак: «Надеюсь, что доживу до момента, когда российским журналистам, предавшим свою профессию, придется уйти», TV Rain, 24 December 2014: Translation:"...I was a propagandist...I consider this a sin, from which I will never be free, because, generally speaking, I lied and told half the truth, sometimes deliberately. Russian: "...я был пропагандистом...Я это считаю грехом, от которого я никогда не избавлюсь, потому что, в общем-то говоря, я врал и говорил полуправду, иногда осознанно."

I started reviewing the entry and checking it against the sources. A lot of the sources don't support the text in the article. For example, Walter Goodman's review of Pozner's book doesn't mention Afghanistan or Korean Air Lines Flight 007. If there are WP:RS like Goodman who call him a propagandist, that belongs in the article, as long as you attribute Pozner's words to Pozner and Goodman's words to Goodman. But if we do have a negative review of Pozner's book, we should also include a positive review, of which there are many. --Nbauman (talk) 03:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think same person can be a journalist and a propagandist, one does not exclude another. In that case, I agree that "journalist" would be primary. My very best wishes (talk) 23:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pozner & vaccination

The Russian-language source for the statement that Mr. Pozner "supports mandatory vaccination, and believes that vaccination against COVID-19 should be made to be (sic!) mandatory in all countries" [emphasis mine] in fact says no such thing. He may well hold such views, however they are not articulated in the cited material. Propose an edit, unless further corroborated.84.23.48.18 (talk) 00:47, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. He is not an anti-vaxxer. This is all. My very best wishes (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Владимир Познер – Ксении Собчак: «Надеюсь, что доживу до момента, когда российским журналистам, предавшим свою профессию, придется уйти», TV Rain, 24 December 2014: Translation:"...I was a propagandist...I consider this a sin, from which I will never be free, because, generally speaking, I lied and told half the truth, sometimes deliberately. Russian: "...я был пропагандистом...Я это считаю грехом, от которого я никогда не избавлюсь, потому что, в общем-то говоря, я врал и говорил полуправду, иногда осознанно."

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