Talk:Villa Road/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 16:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Happy to review the article. AM

Thanks for taking it on, I've notified 86.141.148.236 who has made some recent edits in case they want to participate as well. Mujinga (talk) 08:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, note that comments will still only be addressed to you. Amitchell125 (talk) 08:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Review comments

Lead section

• The third image, which shows terrace in the distance, seems purely decorative, as it doesn’t illustrate any part of the text. I wouldn’t include it here.

  I haven't made it very clear but the image is showing Max Roach Park which was created after the demolition of one side of Villa Road ... I'll have a think how to make the link more obvious Mujinga (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

  I found a source to make the link more explicit and moved the pic down to be next to that part of the text Mujinga (talk) 16:33, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Definitely better. I've moved the image up a bit so it doesn't go into the next section, please revert if you wish. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Ah yes I was confused by that as I made my last edit ("did I realy place it there and not below?" haha). Great, I've answered everything so back to you Mujinga (talk) 16:45, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion (not GA) - make a multiple image at the top? (use Template:Multiple image). AM

• and single mothers – (here and elsewhere in the main text) readers might be puzzled as to why this group is included.

  just following the sources Mujinga (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Understood, but in those days, being a single mother in Britain was considered in a different light from the way it is nowadays, an attitude that was even more prevalent decades earlier (see here for where I am coming from). Some sort of explanation for why they were considered in this way might be useful, perhaps as a separate note. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:55, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

1 History

• Link tower blocks (Tower blocks in Great Britain); squatted (Squatting); carnival; food co-operative.

  done except squatted, which was already linked Mujinga (talk) 15:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

2 Squatted

• Introduce Pete Cooper; Christian Wolmar.

  done - it feels a bit strange because they became these things later, but of course it's good to identify them Mujinga (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

In which case I think it would make more sense to move this sentence to the Popular culture section. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:59, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• with six other people – seems to be excessively detailed.

  removed Mujinga (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• buildings on the street – amend to ‘buildings on Villa Road’ for the sake of clarity.

  yes that's better! Mujinga (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• at court – needs to be fully explained. Ditto legalise 17 of the houses.

  I've rephrased in both cases Mujinga (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• It’s not clear here why the houses were in such a bad state meant that the council’s offer was refused by the squatters.

  source doesn't give more info, so I've rephrased Mujinga (talk) 16:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• leaving the northern side still standing – is redundant text, and can be edited out.

  see what you mean, removed Mujinga (talk) 16:14, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• came down – consider amending to something like ‘were removed’ (see MOS:IDIOM).

  changed to "taken down" Mujinga (talk) 16:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• the remaining buildings subsequently joined together – the people did this, not the houses.

  rephrased Mujinga (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• joined together into a housing association. The council was the owner - amend to ‘joined together into a housing association, owned by the council’?

  rephrased Mujinga (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• Solon Housing Association – it’s not clear if this was the name of the housing association on the road, or the company that came in to do the renovation work, or something else.

  rephrased Mujinga (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• all its housing stock – does this mean all the stock in Lambeth? If so I would make this clear to readers.

  yes, rephrased Mujinga (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• See WP:NEWSORG for I would consider the Evening Standard a relatively unreliable source in this case—much of what has been used here from this publication derives from comments made by Londoners in 2013.

  I see what you mean, I would reply that the people commenting are notable for both their current status and the fact they lived at Villa Road, eg Piers Corbyn and Christian Wolmar. I don't think it's being used to back anything too major excpet "The council decided to legalize the occupation in 1978, but only after demolishing the southern side of the street.", so I'll add another reference on that sentence. Mujinga (talk) 16:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

More comments to follow. AM

3 In popular culture

• Introduce Vanessa Engle; Piers Corbyn.

  done Mujinga (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

• the series – I would be more specific here, e.g. which TV company was this for?

  thanks, that's an oversight to have BBC in the lead but not in the body Mujinga (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

4 References

• Consider linking Geoforum; Evening Standard; Kerrang!; Channel 4 News; New Statesman.

  I prefer not to link to publications in reference sections Mujinga (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Understood. AM

• BBC – ‘BBC News’ (also in italics, consider linking).

• Not sure if this was news, it was a radio prog, Inside Out Mujinga (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Understood, that for pointing that out to me. AM

• Ref 8 (Billen) needs a url (so I can verify the test) and an access date.

  I read a hard copy and I haven't been able to find a web version Mujinga (talk) 15:54, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

No worries. AM

5 Further reading

• There is a Commons category available, so I would include {{Commons}} in this section.

  done Mujinga (talk) 15:51, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

On hold

I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 14 August to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 09:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Passing

Passing the article now, it's well into GA territory. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 17:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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