Talk:Vilhjalmur Stefansson/Archive 1

JAMA reference

wouldn't be bad to find the prcise reference for this: "The results were published in the Journal of the AMA, and both men were perfectly healthy on such a diet, without vitamin supplementation or anything else in their diet except meat."--Pietrosperoni 10:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone wants to look for it, as I recall the first reports were in 1959 or earlier.

After a quick web search I found this early reference to the diet in one of Stefansson's books, but I don't have the book to follow the chain:

Stefansson V. The fat of the land. New York: MacMillan. 1960, pp.15-39.

Reference from: http://www.cast.uark.edu/local/icaes/conferences/wburg/posters/sboydeaton/eaton.htm

I've cited the source. The initial testing was reported in 1926. Stefansson's first writing on dietetics appeared in 1935, in Harper's Monthly (link provided to online version), and a full book concerning the subject, Not by Bread Alone, was published in 1946. The Fat of the Land is a revision/expansion of this earlier work. Renfield 06:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You mean https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0021925818768427 ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.184.161.185 (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inuits and CHD

Does anyone have a link to full text for this citation:

P. Bjerregaard, T.K. Young and R.A. Hegele, Low incidence of cardiovascular disease among the Inuit—What is the evidence?, Atherosclerosis 166 (2003), pp. 351–357.

From what I read about Stefansson, it was reported that he had very low blood pressure after the diet ended. I'd like to read what the article states about increased CHD in Inuits, as it seems to not correlate with Stefansson's experience. Lucien.nicholson (talk) 09:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to add his blood pressure into the paragraph, when I find the reference.64.203.31.190 (talk) 20:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stefansson

The claim that Inuit people die prematurely, due to stroke, is misplaced here because it is attributed directly to a zero (or very low-carb) diet only by association.

First you must consider that this is not a community with medical records prior to late in the last century. High carb (Western) foods were introduced into the Inuit diet at the same time. To claim stroke as a result of their traditional diet, and a regular cause of death because of it, ignores the introduction of high-carb foods into the Inuit diet.

The last film I saw, specifically of the Inuit people, showed them waiting on an airplane. When the plane landed on the ice, and unloaded, everyone was handed a chocolate candy bar. No joke. It was years ago and so I cannot give you any details about the film - most likely a PBS/National Geographic special. -timbrewolf1 12:44 PM 8 May 2008

Much of the material just added

is very close to being plagiarized from here[[1]]. It would be good if someone else could look it over and offer a second opinion. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The material is not "plagiarized" because I'm the person who wrote the article in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.47.133 (talk) 21:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that's reasonable, but if you're using your own work I think it would be best to have a real-name account, and/or to cite the source in question with your name and all -- this would prevent confusion later on. Clevelander96 (talk) 02:36, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

In the article it is written:

"However, hunters like the Inuit, who traditionally obtain most of their dietary energy from wild animals and therefore eat a low-carbohydrate diet,[8] seem to have a high mortality from stroke.[9]"

To whom does it "seem" the Inuit have a higher incidence of stroke? Obviously there is no evidence or the statement would be "the Inuit have a high mortality from stroke.

Since there is no evidence the Inuit have a high mortality from stroke, please remove the remark.

The statement is obviously pandering to traditionl medicine which has spent millions of research dollars in the failed effort to show a link between saturated fat consumption, stroke and coronary heart disease.

If Wikipedia is to be objective, this biased statement without any merit at all must be removed.

65.81.8.5 (talk) 17:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I removed the line in question, not primarily because it is wrong or ill-justified (although it is) but because it isn't that relevant to the topic at hand, which is Stefansson's dietary experiment. For further investigation into the issue of stroke among traditional Eskimos, someone might be interested in this: http://books.google.com/books?id=2Y0sT6O61CcC&pg=PA266&lpg=PA266&dq=eskimo+stroke+risk+diet&source=web&ots=tYwZMf5ZJG&sig=eAp6huflLQveKjpiS4bbZMZqSfw&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA265,M1 Zooko (talk) 14:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

needs a Controversy section

I just ran across this today: One Thousand Nails in the Coffin of Arctic Explorer Vilhjálmur Stefansson, and His Spawn. Is that entire article completely made up?
Encyclopedant (talk) 23:22, 16 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of a section because it doesn't agree with a probable vegan users worldview

Just saw that user RandomCanadian removed a whole section https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Vilhjalmur_Stefansson&diff=1022049980&oldid=1022043060 for no reason at all. His comment has no bearing on the text since it presents what happened with Stefanson and HIS ideas and life, and is not about "‎Advocacy of exclusively meat diet: WP:PROFRINGE content which is likely UNDUE and may contain seriously misleading bio-medical claims about diet removed". There were no biomedical claims and the sources are credible(studies and a MS disertation!!)

All of that leads me to conclude that RandomCanadain is just another vegan wikipedian pushing his ideology online.

Wikipedia has been getting more and more low quality as the years pass but such blatant ideological vandalism has become increasingly common.

78.3.216.194 (talk) 08:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]