Talk:Vietnamese mythology

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 April 2017. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Vietnam, or specifically as mentioned here, its ethnic majority, the Kinh people, do not have well-documented mythology. All the sources used in this article only demonstrate what should fall under the category of "legend" and "folklore" - inherited stories that may or may not be true, or involve fantasy elements. The Vietnamese lack any well-established pantheon and they worship no gods, such as the sun god (Helios, Apollo, Ra, Amaterasu, etc.), the moon god (Diana, Tsukuyomi, etc.). There's no known credible creation myth that describes how the world or the country was created. Mythology in Vietnam is only established among ethnic minorities (the Rade people for example), and if this article can't provide any information concerning that, it should not be kept. The Vietnamese corresponding article is not a helpful and confident source either as it's extremely poorly sourced. Various accounts have also been established, for example this one, but those are highly dubious, poorly described, not based on any citable extensive research, and riddled with elements imported from Chinese myths which begs the question about their legitimacy @Fumiko Take:

This page should not be speedily deleted because... because these don't appear at all to be legitimate reasons, every country has a mythology, see vi:Truyện thần thoại Việt Nam) Couldn't the same be said by Vietnamese about Japan? since Vi Wp has no article on Japanese mythology, yet here we have an article Japanese mythology--In ictu oculi (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say Vietnam didn't have mythology, did I? It's the Kinh people who do not have well-documented mythology. I'm a Vietnamese native and the idea of "Vietnamese mythology" is absurd on so many levels. Again, in case you didn't check my reasoning in the history page, stories of Lạc Long Quân and Âu Cơ are legends, deification accounts of legendary figures (akin to England's King Arthur). And you don't seem to even read all of my reasoning: the Vietnamese article itself is riddled with red flags. Just to reiterate, the Kinh people do not have well-documented mythology, and unless the article address mythologies of Vietnamese ethnic minorities, it should be deleted.Fumiko Take (talk) 16:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a side note, a Wikipedia article is bound to be questionable, and Vietnamese Wikipedia articles are no exceptions. This is also a Wikipedia that approves horribly translated articles and text copied word for word from other sources. Just acknowledging a pre-existent Vietnamese article on a Vietnamese topic just doesn't cut it.Fumiko Take (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Heads up: you don't get to speak to other editors this way. Do you understand? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:37, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, I think I'm being as polite as I can. Please consider your own conspicuous tone before judging other's.Fumiko Take (talk) 16:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps Vietnamese folklore Vietnamese legend would be better? In ictu oculi (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

However currently the title is consistent with Category:Vietnamese mythology which includes A Âu Cơ B Bà mụ C Chử Đồng Tử F Four Holy Beasts The Four Immortals G Ghosts in Vietnamese culture K Kinh Dương Vương L Liễu Hạnh Thành hoàng M Mẫu Thượng Ngàn S Thánh Trần worship Tản Viên Sơn Thánh Sơn Tinh – Thủy Tinh T Thánh Gióng Thuận Thiên (sword) V Vietnamese dragon ... In ictu oculi (talk) 16:12, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]