Talk:Victimless crime/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Abortion

I understand that the notion of abortion being a victimless crime is subject to controversy ; and as it is controversial, it should be discussed and addressed in a clear manner. ADM (talk) 10:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Methamphetamine

The second paragraph under 'Fundamental Inability to Consent' seems bad to me. It isn't sourced and makes a bold claim, even if that claim is only conjectural. YelloWord (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

File sharing?

Anyone else think file sharing should be mentioned? --173.16.22.10 (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

File sharing is illegal when copyright laws are violates, which violated the intellectual property rights of the copyright holder. If outlawing file sharing is done outright, then it could be considered here. - Stillwaterising (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I included a relevant source.

My new source is Nr. 1, copied verbatim from Incarceration in the United States, Reference nr. 4.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.11.22 (talk) 12:06, 22 December 2011‎ (UTC)

Merge with Consensual crime

I saw there were old discussions (and here: Talk:Victimless_crime/Archive 1#Cleanup) about this but they were never resolved. I'd like to propose merging with Consensual crime. While not exactly the same thing, the two topics overlap sufficiently, and literature on the topics overlaps a fair bit, that readers would be better served by having a single article that covers victimless and consensual crime (perhaps defining consensual crime as a victimless crime with at least two perpetrators?) --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 14:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Bolshevik legal code

The section on Legalization of victimless acts states "The new Bolshevik legal code contained within it the concept that if there was no victim, there was no crime". I spent some time trying to track down a source for this and all I could find were verbatim repeats of this statement, copied from this page. With regards to decriminilisation of homosexuality, other sources point to the legal code adopted in 1922 by the soviet union. This reference describes that code http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=n_w8t0UCFRgC&lpg=PR45&ots=vg8k0f9lZv&pg=PA57#v=onepage and makes no reference to victimless crimes. In fact it seems to say the opposite and defines crimes as actions against the social order. I suggest removing the whole reference to the Bolshevik legal code. Ian Davis (talk) 14:37, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Category:Victimless crimes was deleted. In case it would be useful to expand the list in the article, the articles that were in it are listed here. – Fayenatic London 16:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

First country to legalize homosexual acts between consenting adults

I'm surprised by the claim that it was the Soviet Union.

The statement is at odds with the Wikipedia Timetable of LGBT History:

1 "1791 – Revolutionary France (and Andorra) adopts a new penal code which no longer criminalizes sodomy. France thus becomes the first West European country to decriminalize homosexual acts between consenting adults".

2 "1811 – Netherlands and Netherlands' Indies (Indonesia) decriminalizes homosexual acts".

3 "1852 – Portugal decriminalizes homosexual acts".

4 "1858 – The Ottoman Empire (predecessor of Turkey) decriminalizes homosexuality".

5 "1889 – In Italy, homosexuality is legalised".

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I'm aware that one is not supposed to cite Wikipedia articles as a source, but there's something that doesn't add about the claim regarding Russia/Soviet Union. Norvo (talk) 01:30, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Good point. I took it out. deisenbe (talk) 12:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Blasphemy

In some countries blasphemy is penalized, and this is definitely victimless crime. 87.207.233.227 (talk) 19:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Determining a victim

Laws are generally intended to protect people, so a criminal act is likely to have some victim, however abstract.

This, of course, is ridiculous. --Ultra Megatron (talk) 15:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Second that --173.16.22.10 (talk) 06:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

There are always victims in crimes, including prostitution, gambling and illicit drug use. For example, a neighborhood is affected by the availability of drugs. If drugs are easily accessible, it will be more used by the society. Are drug abusers then not victims of the drug industry? All actions we take affect something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.220.197.42 (talk) 22:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

It is however an undeniable fact that they would not be criminals if drug use were legal (or at least controlled and decriminalised), and likewise the international drug production economy would have no basis in profitability. Nuttyskin (talk) 02:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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