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Missing wikipedic form. --tickle me 01:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of the quote

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So this is paragraph 2659 of book 14 of Sunan Abu-Dawud. I'm assuming there are a number of books (21?) with quite a number of paragraphs, and multiply that by the number of collections other than Sunan Abu-Dawud... The quoted web page goes from paragraph 2473 to 2781 (didn't check if they are all consecutive), so this is just one from the middle.

So why is this one the most important fact about this person? Can it be narrated so that it means something to the non-initiated reader? As it is now its information content is pretty much zero unless you have to have a lot of contextual knowledge and are able to decipher the nuances of Islamic religious texts. Can this be made into an encyclopedia article instead of a collection of Islamic texts? (Per "not an indiscriminant collection of information"). It tells nothing to the western reader, and Islamic readers surely have more complete sources, in the original language, in a much better format than a random web of hyperlinks where even happening to stumble on this article is a random process. Weregerbil 18:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The incident of Utbah ibn Rabi'ah during the revelation of Surah Fussilat

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Hi, I was surprised to see an important incident from Utbah's life is not mentioned in this biography article and I request an editor to consider adding it.

Sources: Ibn Hisham, vol. I, pp. 313-314. See also: Tafsir Ibn Kathir, vol. IV, pp. 90- 91; Al Bidayah wan-Nihayah, vol. III, p. 62

Web references: This incident is also referenced here: https://quran.com/en/surah/fussilat/info

Muhammad bin Ishaq, the earliest biographer of the Holy Prophet, has related on the authority of Muhammad bin Ka'b al-Qurzi, the famous follower of the Companions, that one day some of the Quraish chiefs were sitting in their assembly in the Al-Haram Mosque in Mecca, while in another corner of the Mosque the Prophet Muhammad was sitting by himself.

This was at the time when Hamzah ibn Abdul Muttalib had recently embraced Islam and the people of the Quraish were feeling upset at the growing numbers of the Muslims. On this occasion, Utbah bin Rabi'ah (the father-in-law of Abu Sufyan) said to the Quraish chiefs: "Gentlemen, if you like I would go and speak to Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace and blessings) and put before him some proposals; maybe that he accepts one of them, to which we may also agree, and so he stops opposing us." They all agreed to this, and Utbah went and sat by the Prophet.

When the Prophet turned to him, he said: "Nephew, you know the high status that you enjoy in the community by virtue of your ancestry and family relations, but you have put your people to great trouble: you have created divisions among them and you consider them to be fools: you talk ill of their religion and gods, and say things as though all our forefathers were pagans. Now listen to me and I shall make some suggestions. Consider them well: maybe that you accept one of them." The Holy Prophet said: "Abul Walid, say what you want to say and I shall listen to you." He said, "Nephew, if by what you are doing, you want wealth, we will give you enough of it so that you will be the richest man among us; if you want to became an important man, we will make you our chief and will never decide a matter without you; if you want to be a king, we will accept you as our king; and if you are visited by a jinn, whom you cannot get rid of by your own power, we will arrange the best physicians and have you treated at our own expense." 'Utbah went on speaking in this strain and the Holy Prophet went on listening to him quietly. Then he said, "Have you said, O Abul Walid, what you had to say?" He replied that he had.

The Holy Prophet said: "Well, now listen to me."Then pronouncing Bismilah ir Rehman-ir-Raihm he began to recite this very Surah, and Utbah kept on listening to it, putting his hands behind his back and leaning on them as he listened. Coming to the verse of prostration (v. 38) the Holy Prophet prostrated himself; then raising his head, said, "This was my reply, O Abul Walid, now you may act as you please." then Utbah arose and walked back towards the chiefs, the people saw him from afar, and said: "By God! Utbab's face is changed. He does not look the same man that he was when he went from here." Then, when he came back and sat down, the people asked, "What have you heard?" He replied, "By God! I have heard something the like of which I had never heard before. By God, it's neither poetry, nor sorcery, nor magic. O chiefs of the Quraish, listen to what I say and leave this man to himself. I think what he recites is going to have its effect. If the other Arabs overcome him, you will be saved from raising your band against your brother, and the others will deal with him. But if he overcame Arabia, his sovereignty would be your sovereignty and his honor your honor." Hearing this the chiefs spoke out:"You too, O father of Walid, have been bewitched by his tongue." Utbah replied, "I have given you my opinion; now you may act as you please." 142.112.250.212 (talk) 19:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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