Talk:Use This Gospel

GA Review

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Reviewer: MaranoFan (talk · contribs) 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hello once again! Given all the heavy lifting you do to clear up the backlog it is long overdue I review one of yours. Soon.--NØ 17:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• The lead section looks too long. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, two or maximum three paragraphs are suggested given the prose size of 21.9k characters.
• "after West had requested for a collaboration" → "after West requested a collaboration"
• "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, who mostly appreciated the presence of Clipse" → "The song received generally positive reviews from music critics, who mostly appreciated Clipse's presence"
• "They often focused on the duo's reunion, while certain critics commended Kenny G's performance" → "They often focused on the duo's reunion, while a few commended Kenny G's performance"
• ""Use This Gospel" debuted at number 37 on the US Billboard Hot 100, leading to Kenny G having scored a top 40 hit every decade since the 1980s" → ""Use This Gospel" debuted at number 37 on the US Billboard Hot 100, making Kenny G the fifth artist to achieve a top 40 hit every decade since the 1980s", as this is an impressive, lead-worthy achievement!
• "In the United States, the song has been certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)" → "In the United States, the song was certified gold by the Recording Industry Association of America", without the abbreviation
• "West, Clipse, Kenny G, and the Sunday Service Choir performed it live at The Forum in October 2019, surrounded by a meadow setting" → "West, Clipse, Kenny G, and the Sunday Service Choir performed it live in a meadow at The Forum in October 2019"

•  Done for the above

• "In the album's accompanying film of the same name, Kanye partially hums the song as a lullaby to Psalm West" - What's meant by "partially hums", did he hum something else as well?

•  Done specifying using "briefly" here --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "In place of Clipse's appearance on the original track, Eminem raps about using faith to battle his personal demons" → "Replacing Clipse on the original track, Eminem raps about using faith to battle his personal demons"
• If you do decide to trim something to bring the lead down to three paragraphs, I would suggest the fourth paragraph as it seems the least important

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Background

• "Once he had heard a number of tracks, Kenny G suggested that his saxophone "would sound really good" on "Use This Gospel"" → "After hearing various tracks, Kenny G suggested that his saxophone "would sound really good" on "Use This Gospel""
• Avoid using "the saxophonist" as a descriptor per WP:ELEVAR

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "The saxophonist declared he was highly proud "somebody of Kanye's caliber" that could call a lot of different people believed he "would be a person that he would want in this intimate vibe, serenading his wife" - Is this relevant here given it's not referring to the creation of "Use This Gospel"?

•  Comment: this is giving background to him collaborating with West --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "In April 2022, he enthusiastically offered to provide an encore performance to reunite West and Kardashian" - Since the song's release predates this by a year, I'm also not sure about this belonging in the Background section

•  Not done this gives further background on their friendship that is mentioned here --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Clipse's appearance on the track marked the return of the duo" → "Clipse's appearance on the track marked a return of the duo"
• "A feature from Clipse was requested by West" → "West requested a feature from Clipse"
• "the entire theme of the album "totally speaks to where my brother is" and elaborated" → "the entire theme of the album "totally speaks to where my brother is", and elaborated"
• "West remembered not wanting to rap until No Malice persuaded him to for "Use This Gospel"" → "West remembered not wanting to rap until No Malice persuaded him to do it for "Use This Gospel""
• "and concluding of rapping" → "and concluding"
• "West had shared the music video for their single "I Can Talk" (2009) to his blog in 2010" → "West had shared the music video for their single "I Can Talk" (2009) on his blog in 2010"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• "Musically, "Use This Gospel" is a gospel number, with a maximalist style" - The second comma is probably not necessary

•  Not done in American English, this is fine. --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Towards the end, a vibrant saxophone solo from Kenny G" → "Towards the climax, a vibrant saxophone solo from Kenny G"
• "lasting for around 40 seconds" → "lasting around 40 seconds"

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "while each member of Clipse contributes a brief verse" → "while both members" as there are only two(?)

•  Done but is this really specific that they have a separate verse each? --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "In the lyrics of the song, both members of Clipse deliver self-reflection" → "In the lyrics of "Use This Gospel", both members of Clipse deliver self-reflection"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Recording

• "In December 2018, West collaborator Timbaland and American record producer Federico Vindver" → "In December 2018, American record producers Timbaland and Federico Vindver"

•  Not done I realized this is not Vindver's first mention and he is Argentine anyway --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "with Vindver recalling that him and Timbaland were "blown away" when West started "playing tracks for the Yandhi project" → "with Vindver recalling that West "bl[ew them] away" when he started "playing tracks for the Yandhi project"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Timbaland contributed production to Jesus Is King tracks" → ""Timbaland produced the Jesus Is King tracks"

•  Not done since this implies that he was the sole producer --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "West "went insane" after being played the track" → "West "went insane" after hearing the track"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• ""Law of Attraction" was ultimately scrapped" - Shouldn't this be "initially scrapped" if it ended up re-recorded?

•  Not done "“Use This Gospel” is a reimagination of scrapped “Yandhi” track, “Chakras (Law of Attraction),”" – Entertainment Voice --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Release and promotion

• "it was originally slated to be released as the album's final track" → "it was originally slated to appear as the album's final track"
• "who shined their light of authority over the venue and declared the show finished" - It's a bit unclear what the light shining part means, would it be detrimental if this was just "who declared the show finished"?
• "West responded by pushing the NYPD out of his way, finishing the song as he sang and hummed with the crowd" → "West responded by pushing the NYPD out of his way, and finishing the song as he sang and hummed with the crowd"

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "backed by the Sunday Service Choir, who were dressed in white robes and led by Jason White" → "backed by the Sunday Service Choir, dressed in white robes and led by Jason White"

•  Comment: doesn't the usage of who work for specifying the identity of those dressed like that and led by Jason White? --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Kenny G played his saxophone to open the performance as West watched him, drawing applause from both the group and the audience" - unclear who "the group" is referring to

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception

• "Pitchfork's Rawiya Kameir assured the maximalism" → "Pitchfork's Rawiya Kameir believed the maximalism"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Not sure "Now" in Now Magazine should be capitalized, as it doesn't seem to be an abbreviation.

•  Not done the article stylizes it as NOW --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• "the duo's "back-to-back verses" and the beginning features" → "the duo's "back-to-back verses", and the beginning features"
• "Paste's Steven Edelstone considered if the saxophonist's solo" → "Paste's Steven Edelstone considered if Kenny G's solo"
• "Some critical assessments were less positive" → "Some reviews were less positive"

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Commercial performance

• "The debut gave Clipse their fifth track to chart on the Hot 100" → "This gave Clipse their fifth track to chart on the Hot 100"
• "debuted at the seventh position" → "debuted at number seven"

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• ""Use This Gospel" was awarded a gold certification from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)" → "The Recording Industry Association of America awarded a gold certification to "Use This Gospel"", without the abbreviation

•  Partly done kept the abrevation for context since many know the company as RIAA

• The information in the last paragraph could be presented more effectively. I would suggest "The song debuted at number 34 on the Canadian Hot 100 in Canada.[57] In Australia, it reached number 36 on the ARIA Singles Chart.[58] "Use This Gospel" peaked at number 24 on the Latvian Singles Chart,[59] and at number 32 on the Icelandic Singles Chart. It further charted within the top 50 in Denmark and Lithuania".

•  Partly done only changed the Canada bit since comparing chart performance is suitable and the best position can be mentioned --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Since this section isn't too long, maybe other chart positions like Slovakia, Portugal, Sweden, France could also be included altogether as the last sentence.

•  Done --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Appearances in media

• Should this section be retitled to something like "Promotion"? West singing it in his own film feels more like a promotional effort than secondary media using the song.

•  Partly done moved it to the promo section that already exists --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• If the part about him performing it "partially" is kept in the lead that should also be the wording used here.

•  Partly done fixed this in the lead so it is consistent with here --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Not sure the sentence "On September 18, 2020, Kanye revealed via Twitter that "Use This Gospel" is his daughter North West's favourite song by him." fits in with the current section title either.

•  Comment: is this fine in promo? --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Much better suited here.--NØ 10:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

• No issues!

Remix

• "Simultaneously with the Twitter post about his daughter" - Replace this with the date he made the announcement instead.
• "expressing honor in him blessing the song" - This is too informal to be in Wikipedia voice. Maybe "expressing respect towards him for appearing on the song"
• Is the Tidal tweet relevant?
• "a year and half prior" → "a year and a half prior"
• "they were never finished due to the rapper's schedule" → "they were never finished due to the rapper's busy schedule"
• ""PRODUCED BY DR DRE MY IDOL"" - Change to sentence case to avoid WP:SHOUTING
• "a fast pace Christian rap verse" → "a fast-paced Christian rap verse"

•  Done for the above --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• Jesus is well-known enough that it probably doesn't need to be wikilinked

•  Comment: I have done this throughout the Jesus Is King articles and religion is the central focus so I think this is acceptable. --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Charts

• No issues!

Certifications

• No issues!

References

• References all seem okay.

Verdict

•  On hold!--NØ 15:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• MaranoFan Thanks for the review, I have covered everything now! --K. Peake 07:59, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift responses. I kind of disagree with including the abbreviation for the RIAA but that is a matter of personal preference. ✓ Pass!--NØ 10:12, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 13:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that Kanye West did not want to rap on "Use This Gospel" until No Malice persuaded him to? Source: Pusha T on Reunting Clipse for Kanye’s 'Jesus Is King' - Vulture
  • ALT1: ... that Kanye West did not want to rap for "Use This Gospel" until he was persuaded to by No Malice? Source: Pusha T on Reunting Clipse for Kanye’s 'Jesus Is King' - Vulture
    • ALT2: ... that the remix of Kanye West's "Use This Gospel" was added to DJ Khaled's God Did at the last minute? Source: DJ Khaled talks to Zane about his album 'God Did' - Apple Podcasts
      • ALT3: ... that the remix of Kanye West's "Use This Gospel" was a special last minute addition to DJ Khaled's God Did? Source: DJ Khaled talks to Zane about his album 'God Did' - Apple Podcasts
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Denis Mann

Improved to Good Article status by Kyle Peake (talk). Self-nominated at 16:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC).

• Reached GA status within the appropriate time-frame, hook is well sourced. The only issue I have is that the hook is not interesting. They need to be interesting to a broad audience and I can't see how this would interest anyone who doesn't follow Kanye or No Malice. —VersaceSpace 🌃 15:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

• VersaceSpace Before proposing an ALT2, I'd like to ask to save time if you think the "Law of Attraction" fact could be interesting? K. Peake 08:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Kyle Peake: @VersaceSpace: Hey guys. What's the status of this nomination? Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:15, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
  • My apologies. @Kyle Peake: it would be nice if the hook wasn't 100% about Kanye. It should relate to something or someone generally outside of his realm, for a broader audience. —VersaceSpace 🌃 20:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
    • @VersaceSpace: How about adding the fact that the remix was a last minute addition to God Did? K. Peake 09:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
      • @Kyle Peake: that one's better. —VersaceSpace 🌃 13:59, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
        • @VersaceSpace: I have proposed two new ALTs: please tell me which you will accept or if I should add a different one. K. Peake 20:54, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
          • ALT2 preferred. —VersaceSpace 🌃 21:10, 19 October 2022 (UTC)