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Desktop is less popular, in some cases, in every continent! – something to track closely

Now that desktop is about to get (relatively) less popular in Asia and seeing that mobile got more popular in Greenland (in North America), I wandered if I could find an example countries in every continent.

Europe

Poland dipped down to 49.59% in Jan 2015, now 50.69%[1]

Desktop is way more popular still in Europe, and very hard to find countries with low %, even most eastern European countries with 80-90% desktop use. Poorness is not always an indicator of mobile (other "low": Albania at 68.74%). While Poland just barely made it and just in one month, I think I may have checked all (less developed) countries and you would have to count Greenland in for a proven minority number:

Greenland is under Danish rule and Denmark is in Europe, so Greenland could also be argued European.. It went from 61.71% down to 28.23% and up to 48.34%, all in a year[2] (very strange, unreliable statistics?)

North America

See Greenland above, Puerto Rico (US territory in Caribbean) 67.02%, down to 42.48% in Oct 2014, up to 56.96%, in a year[3]

and:

Central American portion of the North America

[Didn't find (clear) minority desktop use (except if you count above - Greenland) *currently* – only in the past:]

Costa Rica went from 65.13% down to 45.01% in Nov 2014 and up to 57.62% in a year.[4] Guatemala 51.28%, 50.71% in Dec 2014.[5] Honduras 52.75%[6] El Salvador 58.63%[7] Panama 55.43%[8] Nigaragua 59.85%[9] Belize 64

South America

Bolivia (47.56% just this month)[10] Hard to find clear minority. many close[may be wrong about "many close" and/or mixed up with central America. And not a *clear* decreasing desktop use trend in this continent.]

Australia/Oceania (really e.g. the Melanesia part)

Australia the country has clear majority, but as a continent mas many desktop minority use countries.

Papua New Guinea (12.53%)[11]

Timor-Leste (East Timor?) strange numbers[12]

Asia

Many minority desktop use countries, in fact desktop use going down fast (as %, I guess not absolutely, only mobile going up) and about to lose majority at only 51.78%,[13] with Android only, having just now surpassed Win7 (yes, not all Win versions..)[14]

E.g. Saudi Arabia 43.51%

Uzbekistan (42.48% - but desktop gaining here)[15]

Africa

Many, but as a whole 57.99%[16] Ethiopia 38.62%[17]

Antartica

Not really any country there, so not an exception..?

Really crazy numbers, desktop getting sometimes to 0%, not because of mobile, I guess all computers off :)[18]

Didn't know there was mobile coverage.. numbers show some blips for tablets AND mobile.. comp.arch (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

"State of the internet" - trend to mobile stopping or slowing down at least, or going back (in Europe)

With corrected WP statistics numbers, desktop (only) went down to 59.3% but has been recovering since (January). These are global numbers and the trend isn't everywhere the same.

Does anyone know of absolute numbers? StatCounter etc. must have them. While you can find individual countries with 20% desktop, and those relative numbers must have been going down, I assume absolute desktop numbers have not (and maybe even neither per capita). Mobile is just skyrocketing, especially in Asia and poor countries. But there is no reason to NOT expect these countries to at least add more desktops (more expensive computers) with more prosperity?

Would we end up with something like this? Note they only count "10 of our websites" and I assume U.S. ones (not sure who they are..).

It is interesting how low Firefox numbers are (below 10%) and "iOS at 18.51%, Mac at 10.62% and Android at 10.08%". I assume we may be heading to 18.51+10.08=28.59% mobile (maybe most of it Android..), not 50%+ mobile, long-term. Are these numbers biased (not good here, I assume)? Is the desktop just a dinosaur in the west?

Europe: desktop went down to 65.55% before recovering 71.93%[19]

To compare: Asia (at 51.78%), no clear trend in the last few months (desktop has recovered a tiny bit occupationally and lost recoveries again)[20]

Worldwide (similar trend to Asia) 63.26%[21]

North America (similar trend) 64.66%[22] comp.arch (talk) 11:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

NetApplications

How is it that the figures of NetApplications regarding the usage share of the browsers vary so widely from all other sources? Is NetApp in some way related or affiliated to Microsoft? The figures they provide seem rather unrealistic. --Maxl (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

"Net Market Share attempts to measure daily unique users, while StatCounter measures total traffic. If you visit a single page in the Net Market Share network, you’re counted, and then your visits to any other page on any other site in the network are ignored for the rest of the day" http://www.zdnet.com/article/net-market-share-vs-statcounter-whose-online-measurements-can-you-trust/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.152.19 (talk) 03:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree, the NetApplications results need some explanation. 160.83.42.135 (talk) 14:45, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It's worth noting that Ed Bott makes his living off selling books and writing articles about Micosoft Windows. His zdnet article was obviously biased.

According to NetApplications and Webstats:

Net Market Share reports are based on 40,000 websites worldwide, with 160 million unique visitors per month on desktop and mobile devices. StatCounter’s monthly totals for desktop and notebook PCs consist of 15 billion pageviews recorded at 3 million sites.

NetApplications sample size is simply too small. The error margin is far too high. Given that they openly admit to applying weighting algorithms with out disclosing their methodology it's safe to say their numbers are little more than estimations. 202.49.0.2 (talk) 01:11, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

W3Schools Relevance

What is the relevance of W3Schools stats here? The way it is currently portrayed, it is given significance among the other stat aggregators. However, it is merely one of millions of websites that only tracks usage of its own visitors. Why should this be treated differently than any other website's user-agent logs? I think it should be removed from this page. Spetnik (talk) 23:06, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

It is a popular website, e.g., #207 in the world per Alexa, and #367 per Compete; it is not an aggressively commercial site; they publish their browser statistics, which most sites do not; and their stats offer an insight into which browsers presumably more tech-savvy consumers prefer. However, I don't have strong feelings about it, and since you feel strongly that W3Schools does not belong, I removed W3Schools from the article. Mark D Worthen PsyD 22:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

First paragraph of Summary tables section

This is about Comp.arch's revert of an edit I made for the first paragraph of the Summary tables section (diff). I am not going to initiate any kind of edit war, I simply want to explain that my purpose was to improve the clarity and coherence of that first paragraph. It is a difficult to read, potentially confusing paragraph as it stands now. I suggest improving the prose, that's all. Mark D Worthen PsyD 16:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to simplify; almost as much as you did, just Chrome isn't most popular on tablets (and not available on consoles, one of the platforms that StatCounter tracks - I've left that out as Chrome is most popular on all platforms they support except for those). comp.arch (talk) 18:27, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Edge browser

Are the number for the Edge browser included under IE or are they under other? If so it may be worth adding an Edge column. Sizeofint (talk) 17:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I also would like to see stats for Edge. 76.185.209.233 (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Unknown for desktops is up to 3.72% from 0.93% just over a year ago

I'm asking for why, and possible theories on these StatCounter stats.. comp.arch (talk) 15:18, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The Edge browser maybe? Sizeofint (talk) 18:33, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Where is Edge?

Doesn’t make sense that, in May 2016, a ctrl-F for “Edge” will match 0 times on this article. --X883 (talk) 00:48, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree – this page appears outdated and out of sync with the quickly changing web browser scene. Perhaps it's time for a makeover? 4h34d (talk) 15:40, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Moving stale tables to older section

As you know much of the article is stale. I moved sections that have not been updated into the older section as has been tradition. I also deleted some tables from the summary section that have not been updated. I added some or most of those tables years ago, so it seems fitting that I would delete them. If someone feels they are still valuable we could create a subsection of stale data. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 14:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Daniel.Cardenas

I thought the whole removal was a vandalism by 122.166.145.195. Hence, I wrote "Reverted the last known good pre-vandalism version." I would have apologized now if you hadn't wrote that rather cheeky edit summary. But no offense taken.

Still I am contesting their removal. As encyclopedia, Wikipedia values history. Specially, ancient history. So, the more "stale" (as you put it), the better.

Best regards,

Codename Lisa (talk) 17:04, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

It is a summary and the details that it is based are just a page down. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 17:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Summary tables:

They should be formed as ONE table. Right now each is a separate table and it's damn near unreadable. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

North Korea

Are you really sure that in North Korea they're using Chrome? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.3.252 (talk) 12:30, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

I guess you refer to the coloring in File:StatCounter-browser-ww-monthly-201707-201707-map.png. The source [23] says Chrome has a 59% share in North Korea and number 2 is Firefox with 13%. Do you have contradictory information? If you post because you think nobody has Internet then see Internet in North Korea. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:44, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Strange "Nokia 0" web browser

I was looking at data for Madagaskar at StatCounter, broken down by web browser versions, not just by web browser (the CSV-data file). I noticed in column J in my report, "Nokia 0" web browser (and "SonyEricsson 0" about as popular, just fluctuating a bit) at 2.15% market share. Nothing to worry about, some old feature-phone web browsers, I thought. Except, Nokia's market share has been steadily increasing from 0.55% in 2017-09 (except for slight dip in 2018-05). I find this strange, but it could just be correct. Maybe all the old feature-phones end up in Madagaskar... Anyone know what browser it may be? I'm not saying this is it, but googling I found "new" web browser in this old Microsoft thread from 2012 that ended in 2013 (while confusingly marked "Last updated September 7, 2018", and I'm not sure why)[24], so I suppose no longer new and shouldn't be gaining in popularity...

In the same time frame, Internet Explorer goes from 0.2% up to 0.59% while ending in a similar place at 0.1%. Some brower versions are understandably going down (e.g. Opera Mini 7.6), and others up (Opera Mini 7.5 while strange as older; still it and 7.6 both close to 3% the whole time); even older Opera Mini 4.4 is the most by far popular single version there (of any web browser, not just Opera) at 20+, up to 26%. I did look into this country to look into why unknown" is sky-high up to around 40%, but it seems the numbers add up in this report, in their other report, they may not know how to categorize some web browser versions. comp.arch (talk) 19:55, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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