Talk:University of Santo Tomas/GA4

GA Review

Unsuccessful. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nominator: Pampi1010 (talk · contribs) 00:40, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I admire your dedication to this article, it is clear you have a passion for the subject and have improved the article massively. This article was nominated right back in early April! It is long overdue for a detailed review. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since this is a massive article, it will likely take me a week or more to review. I have started by reviewing source formatting, copyvio and images. I found some significant issues which will need fixing before I continue the review (especially copyvio), so I will place the review on hold until they have been addressed. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @KingTiger1611, I believe the amount of improvements needed to get this article to GA far exceed the scope of a review. Reviews typically take around a week, and we have only made progress on the copyvio, tagging and formatting criteria (which are normally some of the quickest to get done), and it has been nearly two weeks. I will close the review now, so that the work is done outside of the GA system. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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officially the Pontifical and Royal University of Santo Tomas, Manila or colloquially as Ustê (pronounced [usˈtɛʔ]): Needs citation It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @It is a wonderful world! Would ref 218 do? It explains the origin of the term "Uste" used in cheers, then the colloquial use of the term:

Flores recalled “Go USTe” skyrocketed to fame when it was used by the UST Salinggawi Dance Troupe as part of its cheer dance routine during the first Jollibee Chee-cheer Kayo UAAP Cheering Competition in 1994. Over the years, the chant was refined and dance moves incorporated. Flores said that he feels “nostalgic” and “surreal” when several generations of Thomasians still chant “Go USTe.”

I can just add a citation, but I'd like your opinion whether we need a footnote with an explanation on the word as a chant to a colloquial term to UST. RFNirmala (talk) 08:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @RFNirmala, thank you for this! This is certainly better than nothing for supporting the colloquial name, but I'm not sure that one mention in a news piece is enough to support this taking up space in the first sentence. If no more sources can be found for its usage, I think it would be better left out of the lead altogether, and instead mentioned in the sports section as a common chant. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History

The university seal and colors

Campus

Satellite campuses

Administration and organization

Academic profile

Admissions

Faculty and curriculum

Research

Sustainability

Libraries and archives

Museums and collections

Publishing

Recognition and accreditation

Table needs to be sourced. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edited, thanks! KingTiger1611 (talk) 17:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The text wraps a bit close to the table, which looks really ugly, could you add a character or so of spacing? It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had a difficulty editing this particular table, but I have made it look less cramped. Thanks KingTiger1611 (talk) 15:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rankings

International linkages

Student life

Student organizations

Literature and media

Greek life

Athletics

Notable people

In popular culture

Film

Television

Literature

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[56, 59, 146, 147, 150, 161, 220, 273, 293, 349, 380, 386, 393]: Broken links It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edited. Though I might have missed something. I am also not sure with 393 - which should be 387 by now, but 386 387 388 389 arent broken. KingTiger1611 (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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90.9% on Earwig copyvio detector (see the GA toolbox at the top of this page) is extremely high. It seems as though most the hits are just institution names, which are fine, but it also identifies these clear violations:

The university was registered on January 13, 1908, as a non-stock, non-profit educational institution under Act 1459 with the corporate name of Real y Pontificia Universidad de Santo Tomas de Manila: Copied word-for-word from source, this borders on WP:QF territory but I'll hold of for now, since so far it is only this and the below paragraph which have egregious violations. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UST operates under the laws of the Roman Catholic Church, as embodied particularly in the Code of Canon Law, the apostolic constitution Ex corde Ecclesiae, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines supplementary ordinances for its application of the Ex corde Ecclesiae, and the Philippine government.[15] The university authorities are the chancellor, the vice-chancellor, the rector, and the vice-rector. The Master of the Order of Preachers is the ex-officio chancellor of the university.[95] He appoints the rector of the university upon the approval of the Holy See.[96][97] The Prior Provincial of the Dominican Province of the Philippines is the ex-officio vice-chancellor of the university. The rector is the chief executive officer of the university.[96][98] He is assisted by the Council of Regents, the Academic Senate and the Economic Council. A dean heads an academic unit while being assisted by a faculty council and a regent, who is a member of the Order of Preachers.: Almost word for word again from [15]. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edited, thanks! KingTiger1611 (talk) 10:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Antonio Vivencio del Rosario UST Heritage Library keeps some 30,000 volumes published between 1492 and 1900. Among the collections are La Guerra Judaica (1492) by Josephus Flavius, De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (First edition, 1543) of Nicolaus Copernicus, and the first book ever printed in the Philippines, Doctrina Christiana (1593).: Too close paraphrases the source. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edited, thanks. KingTiger1611 (talk) 16:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take another look at earwig after these concerns have been addressed, and then when I do the spot check. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The seal image is broken on dark mode, as text becomes unreadable. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why is its Latin name significant? Is this a common thing? I looked at other university GAs and they don't have the Latin name as a caption. This is probably just something I am missing. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Date is wrong on File:UniversityOfSantoTomas6.jpg, File:UST Seal 1619 1733.png, File:UST Seal 1868 1935.png, File:UST Seal 1957 1983.png. In order to justify it being in public domain, they must have been published before 1929 somewhere. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:UST seal 1636.png needs to be moved to Commons, and the correct metadata needs to be added (as has been tagged) It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The date is fine on File:UST seal 1875–1909.png because it is a digitization I think. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is a pain, but the flag elements except the Dominican Cross are derivative works of the original copyrighted logo. This means that if you cannot find an image of the symbols in the public domain, they need to be removed from commons and uploaded with free use rationales as with the original logo. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:400 Year old Beauty.jpg is correctly tagged. It has a tag for the architecture and a tag for the photograph. Most the other architectural photos in this article need the tag for the architecture. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Acta Fundacion de Santo Tomas, 1611.JPG has two tags, but probably needs some subheadings to clarify that the two seemingly contradictory tags are for the object and the photo respectively. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Ustpopulation.jpg: Needs a Commons description It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All of the public domain (not the CC licensed) photographs need tags for both why they are public domain in the US, and why they are public domain in the Philippines (see File:Jose Rizal full.jpg for example on how to do it right). Most images are missing information about why they are public domain in the US. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sergio Osmena photo.jpg: Date wrong It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging is a pain... It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

The following points are not needed for GA promotion, but can be used to improve the article further or are tips for improving your writing.

Linking the publishers in the references can be useful for readers to better understand their reliability, though I understand for this article that would be a big job. It is a wonderful world (talk) 22:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Painstakingly) manually wikilinked some publishers and translated Tagalog titles.

I have some concerns in the /*In Popular Culture*/ sources, with some sources showing a YouTube link to a full movie.

Do we need to "standardize" template parameters with some automatic tool? Some citations from The Varsitarian sources use {{cite news}} or {{cite web}}, other references also use an undocumented "newspaper", though I'm not into doing that since non-editors wouldn't care. RFNirmala (talk) 09:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@RFNirmala I am not aware of a standardizing tool that is powerful enough to fix all the inconsistencies and mistakes. I suspect a tool like that would be really hard to code.

Most of the inconsistencies are outside of the scope needed to reach GA status. Your concerns about the "In Popular Culture" sections sources are very much valid though. It is a wonderful world (talk) 18:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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