Talk:University of Hawaiʻi/Archive 1

Archive 1

Reversion

I have reverted the most recent edit which added a link to an article about the corruption of the University staff. While on the one hand it is a good idea to have controversies listed on an article, and I'm not trying to make a pro-UH bias, but I feel that it was placed inappropriately and didn't need to be put where it was. I'm also sceptical about the source - living in Hawaii, I pretty much only rely on the Advertiser and the Bulletin for news articles about such things, and I'm inclined to think that this 'Hawaii reported' is a hoax, since I've never heard of it. I would ask that the anon who contributed that link find another source to back it up, preferably from somewhere reliable, just to make sure. To me, that whole article seems very POV, and I don't think it's the kind of thing that needs to be here. I'm sorry if I've made a mistake, but that's my rationale. I'd be happy to hear other sides, of course. —Keakealani 19:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The new source is from an financial audit from the State of Hawaii.

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Huj Ci W Dupe (hwdp-Huj W Dupe Policji) "Polish" =Just copy and say that to some polish people=Expanded in formation on the University of Hawai'i System. Considering the expansion, information specifically for the University of Hawai'i at Manoa was returned to its original page where it can also be further expanded soon, maybe by me tomorrow. I also completed pages for the John A. Burns School of Medicine and the William S. Richardson School of Law, as well as pages for the major research facilities like the Waikiki Aquarium and East-West Center. Gerald Farinas 21:50, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Moving lists of famous UH people to its own page

Noticed that several universities have a page for the list of their famous alumni and faculty. I suggest that this be done for UH.--Gmosaki 22:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I just moved the faculty and alumni to separate lists. Sudachi 10:17, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

College of Pharmacy

I added the new College of Pharmacy to the grad schools. Someone needs to build a page for it and add it to the UH information box with all of the campuses.--Gmosaki 04:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Removed Vandalism

Looks like someone decided to spam personal messages, removed and cleaned up --Daishi808 18:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism

While the goal of Wikipedia is to produce balanced articles, to credibly balance all issues, all claims must be narrowly supported by a breadth of reliable secondary sources; which specifically excludes therefore op/eds. While--intended in the interest of balance---unsubstantiated claims that are overly broad and entirely unsupported by reliable sources--in the end---actually undermine this goal.

Recent edits, about UH controversies, specifically related to the university's "fabric" being woven with "racism"----putting aside an evaluation of the claim itself--- are simply too charged, and as such likely too broad to be supported by any volume of reliable sources that would be sufficient. Wikipedia editors have continuously reminded the contributor responsible for these claims---and his/her decision to repost them despite this has resulted in vandalism of the page.

If this editor is truly interested in achieving balance on the UH article--he/she will narrow the claim in a way that he/she can support it by numerous independent and secondary sources that are reliable (i.e. not op/eds). In doing so, the editor's clear opinion on the matter that is overtly driving these claims will be mitigated in favor of raising the issue via substantiated claims. Dalisays (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move to University of Hawaii (dropping the okina)

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

• University of Hawaiʻi → University of Hawaii
• University of Hawaiʻi at Mānoa → University of Hawaii at Manoa

– Although the okina is used by the university, WP:COMMONNAME says "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." I think most readers of the English Wikipedia would have trouble typing an okina in order to get to the university's article. The NCAA does not use the okina, nor does the U.S. News & World Report in its rankings. There are probably many sources that do use the okina, and many sources that do not. Chris the speller ^yack 22:51, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose; I don't think it's helpful to make a WP:COMMONNAME argument which is based on typing difficulty rather than on actually reviewing what the sources say. Those unable to type an ʻokina are amply served by redirects. bobrayner (talk) 17:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
• Comment: Though I don't wish to !vote here, I'll offer a link to another move discussion where this type of issue occurred: Talk:Abdul Majid al-Qa′ud#Request to purge OR from the title. Some things to consider are:

1. We can reduce vandalism by keeping apostrophe-lookalikes in the title blacklist.
2. If we want to spell a name with an unusual character, is the character 'native' to the language in the sense that it's a language that uses an extended Latin alphabet, like Turkish? Or is it a language with its own alphabet (like Arabic) where the ʻokina is merely one option for transliteration? Here, Hawaiian is based on a Latin alphabet, but on the evidence presented it is unclear to me whether okina is the mainstream choice by printers for the glottal-stop character.
3. There is an Hawaiian Wikipedia and it might be instructive to check what spellings they use over there. EdJohnston (talk) 18:04, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no more point in looking at the Hawaiian WP than there is in looking at the German WP to see how they spell Nuremberg; they spell it differently, but it does not affect how its article in the English WP is named, because in the English language it is predominantly referred to as "Nuremberg". And Hawaii is predominantly referred to in English as "Hawaii". I wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot of people in the US state of Hawaii spell the name of the university and maybe even the name of the state as "Hawaiʻi", but if the predominant spelling in the other 49 US states and the UK and Canada and South Africa and Australia and New Zealand and India is "Hawaii", then that's what the article should be named. Chris the speller ^yack 05:06, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom, i.e., WP:UCN (use common names)/WP:OFFICIALNAME, per WP:UE (use English), and per the spirit of WP:COMMONALITY (use a commonly understood spelling). Even the university's own website does not use the ʻokina but the single quotation mark. It also does not use the macron on Manoa. —  AjaxSmack  03:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom, it's the common name. Hot Stop talk-contribs 03:53, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom; though, as pointed out above, redirects make it less of a problem for finding the article whatever its location, the more recognisable name seems to be Hawaii. Cheers, Lindsay^Hello 04:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support as per well-reasoned nomination. 172.56.21.69 (talk) 02:40, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose "University of Hawaiʻi" is extremely common. I went and pulled publications and didn't find one by the institution that was not "University Of Hawai'i Press". I am actually going to question whether University of Hawaii is more common, I see no stats to that effect, google result will be inaccurate, as was the case in recent diacritic related move request, because google (books and scholar) ignores such punctuation. Most academic articles from the institution seem to be styled Hawai'i so I don't know what reliable source material is being employed to make this argument.--Labattblueboy (talk) 04:19, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.