Talk:Unified WWE Tag Team Championship

Adding References

I just spent an hour doing work on this artcile. I don't know how to add references. I would be thankful if someone added them, I don't eant this article to be delete. Since I wrote this article myself, does it still need references? Y2J The Evil Twin (talk) 11:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

This article went under a deletion discussion, in which the consensus was for it to be a disambiguity, not an article.--WillC 12:21, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

What's a disambiguity? Y2J The Evil Twin (talk) 12:58, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It is hard to describe in my view. But to make it as simple as I can at the moment on no sleep, it is mainly a directory of articles on a subject. The Unified WWE Tag Team Championship is not an actual championship, that we know of. It is just the name given to the WWE World Tag Team Championship and the WWE Tag Team Championship combined. We do not know if this is an entirely new title or which championship championship has been deactivated, if any. So this page gives the articles that the term may be referring to. It is a list of related articles pretty much.--WillC 13:23, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

But here's the key point you're missing. Most, if not all articles should not be linking to disamg pages. These pages are to not only guide readers to the correct article they're looking for, but to also inform editors what page the link should be going to. You can not replace a link here to one of the two titles under the unified banner, and therefore, it's not a disambig page. And for the record, both championships are still active with seperate title histories. If you're still confused, look at the J-Crown article to see the correct way to handle an article on an active unification of numerious championships. Mshake3 (talk) 03:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Who says the J-Crown article is correct? Where are the sources to justify this title being simular to that title?--WillC 03:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The J-Crown article is correct because it's existed for three years now with no objections. That's a consesus. If you feel it should be in the same state that you want this article to be, then change it. Now, the source is common sense. Both have a name used in reference to a collection of championships (eight for the J-Crown, two for the unified tag), with all the titles retaining active with their respective histories. Mshake3 (talk) 21:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

WWE will eventually ununifie the tag titles because neither of them have been deactivated. Y2J The Evil Twin (talk) 13:34, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Usually when titles are unified, at least one is deactivated. The belts have yet to be put up. The belts only represent the title, they are not "the title".--WillC 13:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

When I put up loads of information it was deleted. Now it's up again and it hasn't been deleted. I don't think that's very fair, for me to do all that work and it gets deleted, and someone to just copy my work and it doesn't get deleted. Y2J The Evil Twin (talk) 10:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

How about someone make a 'List of WWE Unified Tag Team Champions' page?

Seriously, it would help instead of having to pick what championship list page to use. Keep the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team pages incase someone wants to check past champions, but make a list page for Unified Tag Team. A Common Man (talk) 16:10, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Unneeded content forking, etc.--WillC 18:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with A Common Man. It makes sense to have the page, but since it's so small, it could just be a sub-section of the "Reigns" section on this page. JDC808 (talk) 23:09, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Unified WWE Tag Team Champions for why I don't think it is needed. TJ Spyke 00:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we need a seperate list, but a section on the reigns so far in this article should be fine.--WillC 02:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I had added a list of the unified champions under the Reigns section, but it was deleted. Even though the information is on the World Tag and WWE Tag list pages, it would be convenient to readers if this information was also on this page, being that the titles have yet to be defended separately and the WWE is making it as the Unified Tag Team championship is the tag team championship of the WWE. JDC808 (talk) 03:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Well that may be useful, but it would probably be better to just have a prose section on the history.--WillC 06:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Why

I have to ask why is there's a page for this--Dcheagle (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

No idea. Got two pages for the other titles, but some want a page for the term it seems.--WillC 20:21, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

This went thrught an afd and it was decided to keep it as a disambiguation page so that brings the question as to why this is not a disambiquation page.--Dcheagle (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

One user who did not want it deleted argued it was not an actual disambiguity page. Then continued to undo any edit that turned it back to the agreed form, and made it an article. Some finally gave up, and let it be.--WillC 06:58, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah the deletion discussion is Keep as a disambigulation page.--The guy dubbed Curtis23 Curtis23's talk 16:52, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

August 16, 2010 edition of Raw and new belt presented.

I updated the section on the new championship belts being presented to the Hart Dynasty. However, I noticed something that someone had written stating that the titles are not longer unifed since they are being referred to just as the WWE Tag Team Championship. There is no evidence that supports the titles have been split, rather, it appears to be just a name change to go along with the new belts. Personally, I liked the unified name, but knowing WWE it's to long for their liking or something like that. Anyways, there is no evidence that another set of tag belts is going to be revived, and as of now, no evidence exists to say that the belts have been split. If people remember, when the WCW and WWF titles were unified, they were represented by two belts for a short time, then represented by one belt that was still referred to as the WWE Undisputed championship. It only returned to being the WWE Championship when the World Heavyweight Championship was commissioned by Eric Bischoff. After the commission of the WHC, it was disputed, hence the dropping of the WWE Undisputed Championship name. So for the time being, even though the name has changed, that doesn't mean that the belts are no longer unified.

Drunknesmonsta (talk) 01:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

This is NOT a new Championship.

This page should not exist. This isn't a "New" Championship. It's a continuation of the original WWWF/WWF/World Tag Team Championship from 1971-present. If you go to WWE.com and look at their Title history section today, the Tag Team Title link goes directly to the World Tag Team Title history, not the SmackDown Tag Team Title history. Once the belts were unified, the SmackDown belts for all intents and purposes were discontinued. Just like when the WWF Title & WCW Title were merged in 2001. For all intents and purposes, the WCW Title was discontinued. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.62.21 (talk) 15:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

The link on WWE.com has always been to the World Tag Team Championship history, even when the titles were still collectively known as the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, so that doesn't really mean anything. If you look at the box that says "WWE Tag Team Championship" on http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/ (underneath their big Flash thing) it still has links to the WWE and World Tag Titles. The fact is, WWE hasn't really given us an official statement about the title lineage other than that the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship is now known as the WWE Tag Team Championship. You're probably right, the 2002-2010 WWE Tag Title that was used on SmackDown will probably be retired and the "new" WWE Tag Title will likely continue the World title's lineage, but we don't really know yet. We'll probably need to wait until The Hart Dynasty loses the belts before we know anything for sure (unless of course in the next few days they simply create a new page for the "new" title). Jeff Silvers (talk) 16:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought I should point out that SmackDown!'s Tag Team title's links are now dead on WWE.com. It appears that WWE has retired that particular title and is indeed continuing on with the Raw World Tag Team Championship title history. They have made it so the SmackDown! version of the tag belts do not exist and I also move to have this page deleted as well. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 06:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Its still there I just checked SmackDown! version history is still there so this page is still needed and any way even if that was the case this page would still be needed.--Steam Iron 07:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree this page should be deleted

The difference being Jeff, WWE have renamed the title and updated the photo image of the title belts, under the "WWE Tag Team championship" name. Clearly WWE do NOT view this as a "new" championship, clearly it is simply a continuation of their Tag Team championship, thus this page should really be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.180.199 (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

These titles are both a direct continuation of the World Tag Titles and the old WWE Tag Titles. If you watched RAW last night, you would have seen it was the Unified Tag Titles that were renamed to the WWE Tag Titles.----Nascar king 19:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

We have seen no strong evidence as to whether this is a new title or not as far as we can tell this is the direct successor of both the World Tag Team and the pre-2010 WWE Tag Team Championship if and when the WWE says something we do some thing about it.--Steam Iron 19:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I think there's a good argument that the page should be deleted. As far as we know, and yes, it's original research I suppose, but these are just a continuation of the Unified Tag Titles, albeit under a different name and design. Steam, what you said in regards to WWE clearing up the situation is well put, but as we have seen in the past, they are not very consistent in the representation of some of their titles. The ECW Championship is the most recent and glaring example. I do believe we should wait and see if WWE acknowledges the situation, but I believe we'll just be holding our breaths. It's unfortunate though, that even though wrestling is scripted, the titles don't seem to mean nearly as much as they should. Things like this should be explained by the promotion that makes the changes, rather than just let the history of the titles in question be disputed. The titles should be the centerpiece of the promotion, bar none. I digress though, as of now we don't know WWE's official policy so only time will tell. Drunknesmonsta (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

In all likely hood we'll have answers to this question come the next time the title changes hands till then just sit tight and wait and see.--Steam Iron 05:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to think it's going to be as simple as that Steam, but it just seems that title lineage is the least of WWE's concerns. The current announce team barely puts any emphasis on the history of the championships, which is important, especially when trying to establish why wrestlers are vying for these titles. But as we both stated, we'll just have to wait and see. 24.61.175.249 (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Let me explane this some more what I mean by this is when the title changes hands next what will the wwe do to the title history page whether that be starting a new history where only two teams are listed or whether they combine all the tag team titles history in to one. The only reason this page is even here is do to the fact that we have no idea whether this title is a successor to both the World Tag Team and the pre-2010 WWE Tag Team Championship or just the successor of one title with the other being retired. The only answer that could be is the fact that wwe has the history of the World Tag Team up for the title history but this was also the case when it was the unified tag team championship so its better to wat and see what happens the next time the title changes hands. If WWE still list the title history of the world tag team then it must mean that the pre-2010 WWE Tag Team Championship have been retired and and the current WWE Tag Team Championship is the direct successor of the World Tag Team Championship which would mean that this page is needed.--Steam Iron 07:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't unified mean combined or something? They put the European championship with the Intercontinental championship and made the Euro title retired its history shut, while now every one says that the Intercontinental championshion is also the European champion, the South American Champion, Australian champion... The European championship history isn't moving, but the Intercontinental is still moving (The same when it was unified with the Unites States championship). So just like the Intercontinental championship didn't start a new history with the European championship unification (or Hardcore and United States in that matter) so didn't the tag team championships (The re-name doesn't mean antything if even on they're website the lineage continues).--Justakija (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

This title should be treated the same as the WWE Undisputed Title was treated.

The WWE Championship page on wikipedia includes everything about the WWE Championship prior to being unified with the WCW Championship as well as everything after the unification. The World Tag Team Championship should list everything up to the point these titles were unified, the WWE Tag Team Championship should include everything up to the unification, during the unification, and everything after the belts became one. Also, everyone who won the unified titles should be only granted one title reign. Every wrestler who held the undisputed world title was not granted with two world title reigns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.98.41.200 (talk) 02:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Those articles have yet to be expanded. Also, this is a different situation. With the Undisputed title it was clearly stated what was happening. In this case, it has never been explained.--WillC 03:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

This is Definitely NOT A New Championship

This should clear everything up. I'm going to start from now and backtrack all the way to 2002 before there were two sets of tag team championships. On the August 16th, 2010 RAW, Michael Cole stated that this WWE Tag Team Championship is the RENAMED Unified WWE Tag Team Championship. The Hart Dynasty were presented with new WWE Tag Team Championships, as in the actual new belts, NOT new championships in the sense of a new lineage. The physical belts were retired, in the same sense of when Triple H was awarded the new Undisputed WWF Championship by then Co-Owner of the WWF Ric Flair, and the physical WWF Championship and the WCW World Heavyweight Championships were retired. During the time that the titles were referred as the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, BOTH the World and WWE Tag Team Championship section of WWE.com was updated to reflect the change. Note that D-Generation X, the team of Shawn Michaels and Triple H, were NEVER WWE Tag Team Champions while the title was un-unified, yet they are included.. Now when the European Championship was unified with the Intercontinental Championship, the smaller title was retired. But the World and WWE Tag Team Championships are considered equals to one another, so neither title was retired, hence both list were updated.

This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. 24.184.216.113 (talk) 08:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

We need to start counting The Hart Dynasty's days as tag team champions again on both title's history's respective pages. Right now it says that they are retired. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 18:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Wait, the only thing that can dispute this is if once the Hart Dynasty loses the WWE Tag Team Championship, they make a new page, or update only one of their pages. Don't update until the Hart Dynasty loses the belt. WWE and their vague wording sure is annoying at times. Makes me think of the time people had deciphering whether the World Heavyweight Championship was the same one from WCW. 24.184.216.113 (talk) 07:07, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

So what happens if they only edit the World Tag Team Championship history? Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 03:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Then it would be clear that the WWE Tag Team Championship was retired and the World Tag Team Championship was simply renamed the WWE Tag Team Championship.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 03:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Championships are not retired when they are merged (though it might appear that way if one of the titles was already pretty meaningless and gets merged with a much more prominent title - as it was the case with the IC - European merge, which however has no link to the current IC title, which is a new creation), especially if the two titles concerned have no difference in substance (non-regional Tag Team Title vs. non-regional Tag Team Title).

The WWE's two Tag Team titles were merged into one, which thereby continues the lineage of both of them. Given that one title much older (and has seen many name changes in the process), this is the lineage we should list. The WWE Tag Team title was merged into the World Tag Team title.

Retirement IMHO means simply that a title is discontinued, such as the Women's championship was several times. Str1977 ^(talk) 07:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Ehhh close but no cigar... Allow me to explain this better

With unification matches, the result of the match can spawn two different outcomes. One outcome results in one of the championships being decommissioned with the champion choosing to hold a single championship (...as was the case with the WCW U.S. and WWE IC unification match at Survivor Series 2001, where Edge chose the IC championship.) The second outcome results in the champion choosing to hold both championships (...as was the case with the WCW Cruiserweight and WWF Lightheavyweight unification match on July 30, 2001, where Xpac continued to defend the two titles both simultaneously and separately.)

Now with The Hart Dynasty and the situation with Unified Tag Team Championships or WWE Tag Team Championship, it is unfortunately still too early to tell which of the two outcomes listed above will take place. As both title histories on WWE.com still list The Hart Dynasty as current champions for both the World Tag Team and WWE Tag Team Championhip without making use of the words "Final Champions" on either page, there is no evidence pointing towards either of the two possible outcomes. It is too early to tell which of the two championships will be decommissioned or whether both titles will continue to be active. It is for that reason that nothing has been done about the WWE Tag Team Championships on the subject's related articles.^{--UnquestionableTruth--} 06:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Close, but no cigar for you either. Edge didn't get to choose. At Survivor Series 2001, the stipulations was that the winning brand would keep its championships. If WCW won the 5 on 5 Winner Take All match, Edge would of been the WCW US Champ, and the IC title would of been retired. And the 2nd situation does us no good as in our case, both titles were unified into 1 belt. There's only one physical set of belts so its not like the SmackDown Tag Team Championship could be defended separately from the RAW Tag Team Championship, like the Light Heavyweight and Cruiserweight Championships. Like I mentioned before, we wait for the Hart Dynasty to lose. Nothing else can be done until WWE gives us more information. Everything else is just speculation from fans and unofficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.240.74 (talk) 02:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Could this page be renamed to WWE Tag Team Championship (unified)?

It just seems like a better name, since this article includes pre-2010 reigns. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree but the list should be merged with the lineage at List_of_World_Tag_Team_Champions_(WWE). Str1977 ^(talk) 23:45, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

In other words, there should be a list section that links to the lineage beginning in 1971, not a list in this article. Str1977 ^(talk) 08:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I second that motion. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 04:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It cant be renamed as it is no longer the Unified tag team championship.--Steam Iron 05:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

picture

can u at least put up a picture of the new belts, the old belts shuldnt be pictured anymore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.186.180.94 (talk) 04:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

No free image has been found as of yet.--Steam Iron 05:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Okay, this is getting riddiculous

First off: if something should be noted, note it. Second, the WWE.com title histories include both the World Tag and WWE Tag Championships in the listing for those of the NEW championship. Thus the what "should be noted" is not even entirely accurate by the very sources being used. If there are any further issues with my change, I would suggest discussiong it here rather than continuing to war over it. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 04:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The Title History on WWE.com puts the WWE Tag Titles with the World Tag history. All you doing is removing source and VANDALIZE the page.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 04:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok before this gets to a full blown edit war between you two Im going to ask you to stop I will go through the edits and look somethings up.--Steam Iron 06:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I would like to point out that there has been absolutely no evidence provided by this Mikeymike (or any editor) that my edits have been remotely close to vandalism. While I have been documenting my reasons (including links where neccesary), those users who have been reverting the edits have provided zero reasoning within the edit summaries...let alone this talk page or my own. -- TRTX ^{T / C} 18:33, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Your edits were not vandalism and as for Mikeymike his views of vandalism is a little off. But I still have left Mikes version of the info because that is what WP:PW has chosen to go with because where as you are correct in saying that both history's are still there however when you click on the title itself it links to the History of the World tag team and not the WWE tag team. We hope to have this issue fixed after the next PPV should the current champions lose there match WWE will ether merge the the title history's into one or keep one and end the other. If you have any more questions feel free to ask it here or on my talk page. I have a nice day.--Steam Iron 00:23, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Matt Striker

Skip to approx 12 Minutes in. Striker describes the WWE Tag Team Championship (2010 - Present) as the unified WWE and World Tag Team Championship, and Todd Grisham describes the Hart Dynasty as having the belts for 5 months since defeating ShowMiz. This allows the Tag Team Championship to be backtracked successfully like I mentioned in my original section "This is definitely NOT a new championship". This WWE Tag Team Championship is a continuation of the Unified WWE Tag Team Championship, which was a continuation of the World and WWE Tag Team Championship, so it inherits all of their lineage. (Different IP address because I moved on September 1st) 24.188.240.74 (talk) 08:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

References

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEQb1oTQqU&list=SL

WWE Tag Team Section Edited World Tag Team Page hasn't

Does this change the situation or is it still too early? Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 03:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Too early to tell should be just hours or days.--Steam Iron 03:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

scratch that the world tag is listed as a retired title this championship is the continuing WWE Title.--Steam Iron 03:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Seconded that not a new title. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

This page should be deleted immediately. It has no usage anymore. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 03:51, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It well be mereged with the pre 2010 tag them page soon just hold on.--Steam Iron 03:56, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

We will also need to update the WWE Tag Team Championship history accordingly because nobody has edited it since the new belts were unveiled. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 04:12, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

that will happen when the pages are merged.--Steam Iron 04:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Agreed about merging. WWE's site makes it clear that this is a continuation of the titles created in 2002 (which oddly means they retired their original tag team titles from 1971). 96.25.248.210 (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah its best to merge the topics but in the history be sure to explain that the currently used 2002 WWE tag titles Tag Team titles can trace lineage and are the sucessors to the World Tag Team titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.78.164 (talk) 23:14, 20 September 2010 (UTC)