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Orthography?

I came to this article (again) from a comment on the article Ä about how a-diaeresis is being used in some new orthographies of Ulster Scots, but there's very little information about orthography like one might find in other articles about languages or dialects. It would be good if someone who knows more about it could expand this article further in that regard. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 13:29, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to see some information about orthography. As a speaker of (Scottish) Scots I find the orthography quite difficult to parse sometimes and most of it seems to have no historical context. SaoiDunNeachdain (talk) 15:23, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Total lack of linguistic information

This article contains a hell of a lot of information about the status of Ulster Scots, about how many (or few) people speak it, about its revival movement and whether the language they cultivate has the right to be called 'Scots'. But there is nothing about the language itself. Imo, the core of every article about a linguistic variety should be about its properties. How is it different from Lowlands Scots? How is it related to the various Lowlands (sub)dialects? Are there any internal differences, and if yes, to what extent? Was the dialect influenced by Ulster Irish, and to what extent? I expect to find the answers to questions like these in an article about Ulster Scots, especially when it's so long. Steinbach (talk) 11:41, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would really appreciate a reply. Steinbach (talk) 08:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality issues

The "new orthographies" section seems to consist entirely of attacks on the language CiphriusKane (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbx118: The source ye used is SquareSpace, a website building site. This to me makes it unreliable as it's akin to WordPress. When I tried visiting the source, it just gave me a blank page. Also ye removed the NPOV tag CiphriusKane (talk) 05:51, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This would be better approached by requesting further citation ^{[better source needed]}; removal requires discussion.

BBX118 10:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

@Bbx118: Given how ye were the one who added it and keeps insisting on adding it, surely adding it should require addition? I believe that's what WP:BRD says. And stop removing the NPOV tag please CiphriusKane (talk) 10:20, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't removed the tag. The information has been listed for a while; we'll need discussion if you feel it's not pertinent. The fact the dialect is distinct from Scots in that it is partially constructed is important to mention.

BBX118 10:54, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm finding the constructed claim to be rather contentious. Had an Ulster Scots speaker mention that they think calling it "constructed" is a political point rather than factual statement, so having a blog as the source feels really inappropriate to me. Also, I'd advise ye double check yer edits, because ye removed the NPOV tag that I added twice though ye probably missed that. EDIT Why do ye think it's a conlang? Dialects tend to be distinct. I'm pretty sure ye'll find that northern and southern German dialects differ greatly, and Australian English has its own unique aspects, so are they conlangs as well? CiphriusKane (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unclehot (talk) 08:12, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbx118: could we remove the NPOV I don't see how dismissing a source that is unreliable and me and other users can't actually see is not neutral.

Unclehot (talk) 06:40, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@CiphriusKane: I have reverted the edit of BBX118 as it's unreliable and is not working for other users. I believe I pinged the wrong person on this talk page when asking about removing the NPOV. Would you believe it to be appropriate to remove the NPOV now? I don't really believe that the article has any neutrality issues but if it does we could work on resolving them. I feel like leaving the NPOV up for so long creates distrust in the article.

Formatting: quotation and excerpts

1. The section of the "new orthographies" that starts with "It is certainly" and ends with "counter-intuitive and false" should have quotation marks around it since the text is a quotation.

2. It is not clear to me why the excerpts under "sample texts" by Barney Maglone and Robert Huddleston should have spacing between lines. The excerpt by Hugh Porter doesn't.

ICE77 (talk) 16:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Ulster dialect" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Ulster dialect has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 21 § Ulster dialect until a consensus is reached. Web-julio (talk) 18:04, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]