Talk:Ubuntu for Android

Upcoming?

What are the WP guidelines for software that does not actually exist yet? Feels like it strays into some disallowed territory. Also, the article makes inappropriate use of present tense verbs. - Frankie1969 (talk) 16:03, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

As long as the article's subject meets WP:GNG and doesn't violate WP:CRYSTAL, there's no requirement that software has to be released before an article can be made. However, I'm not seeing any inappropriate use of present tense verbs, but maybe I'm overlooking something? - SudoGhost 16:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

The software does exist (see the [http://youtu.be/3pZUCKt0RKc videos]), just not publicly. I don't have an issue with an article about non-released software - but I don't like it being called Open-source until it is actually released - especially since it's been a while since it was announced, and there's no public ETA. It should say 'expected to be Free / Open-source', and the licence should be omitted or be 'expected to be GPLv3 and LGPLv3'. - JamesHaigh (talk) 09:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

it is going to be closed source http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?83152-Ubuntu-for-Android-unlikely-that-we-would-be-able-to-open-source-for-commercial — Preceding unsigned comment added by FossZealot (talk • contribs) 19:20, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Android at UDS

A very small blurb about Android appearing at the UDS conference: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21280/foundations-r-android-image-builds/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.175.182.141 (talk) 18:08, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Time to rename article

Since it's clear that Ubuntu for Android was the first step in making Ubuntu for phones, should we now rename the article? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

And we'll have to rewrite the article to reflect the new direction of the project. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Ubuntu

Moved from User talk:Walter Görlitz

Hi. Could you clarify in what way the new Ubuntu phone UI is based on Ubuntu for Android? Thanks. – Steel 23:47, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Please read what you deleted. You'll see "The Ubuntu for Android project, as said, is the first step for this new phone OS." --Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

My problem is that since the new Ubuntu phone OS is just Ubuntu - i.e. not running on top of Android or drawing from Android in any way - it does not belong in the article Ubuntu for Android. Ubuntu for Android is a separate project being developed and brought to market in addition to the new Ubuntu phone OS. Hence the main Ubuntu article is the proper home for this week's announcements. Alternatively I am happy to rename this article so that the subject is Ubuntu on phones in general, and then cover both projects here, if that's what you prefer. – Steel 00:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with your point but believe that a different approach is necessary. In my opinion, the article needs a re-write and to be moved. See above. When I saw this earlier in my day, I decided that this would be the correct course of action (discuss and then act) but I was planning on waiting until I had more time to initiate the discussion. Your removal of the valid material simply moved the necessity for the discussion forward in time. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:18, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, so what new title do you have in mind and broadly speaking what would the newly rewritten article look like? – Steel 00:23, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I'd say it's too early to do restructuring of articles. The future product has only been announced. It's still in development and there are likely to be changes to details, etc. The time to decide how to represent it would be when it's closer to release and the details are both better known and more stable. This is just an announcement, not a release, after all. There is no deadline. Yworo (talk) 00:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

OK.

Is the content to be removed or properly placed? --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

To clarify my position: I'm not that fussed whether the article is rewritten at this stage, but if not then we can't keep the paragraph about Ubuntu's phone OS in an article about Ubuntu for Android. – Steel 00:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Since there is some implication that the new project will be derived from Ubuntu for Android, it doesn't make sense to remove it. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Huh? This was the original question I asked you. Trying not to repeat myself, but as of this week, Ubuntu now has a phone interface - and can switch between Ubuntu desktop UI and Ubuntu phone UI depending on whether the device is docked. There is no Android running on the device, hence this is not "Ubuntu for Android" and doesn't belong in an article about Ubuntu for Android, except possibly for a passing mention as a related project with a link to the main coverage elsewhere. There is no implication that one project is a derivative of the other, apart from the fact that Ubuntu for Android was announced earlier, which means nothing really. – Steel 02:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It does mean that it is derived. "The Ubuntu for Android project, as said, is the first step for this new phone OS." I'm assuming that you missed that. Also, there's no indication that Android won't be running simultaneously. You're assuming that phone and desktop are all there are. AT this point, with the involvement of the Ubuntu for Android project, we are left to understand that the Ubuntu for Android project is the first step (as already stated) and when the next step is clearly explained, we'll know how to proceed in the article. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You've quoted that sentence at me twice now. It was added in a couple of days ago by User:Andzlatin. Unfortunately just because User:Andzlatin says something doesn't make it true (it's not in the references provided). And it's mistaken:

After the announcement, Canonical founder Mark Shuttleworth spoke to the media about why he thinks Ubuntu will be great on phones and, more specifically, why it will be better than Android.
Somewhat confusingly, Ubuntu has two phone projects. One of them is called "Ubuntu for Android," which allows Android smartphones to act as Ubuntu PCs when docked with a monitor, mouse, and keyboard. The version of Ubuntu for phones announced today is just Ubuntu, no Android required, allowing devices to run Ubuntu in both the phone and PC form factor, with different interfaces optimized for the different screens. Canonical is keeping Ubuntu for Android around, even as it touts its own phone operating system as a better alternative.^[1]

I don't know how to be clearer than this. My suggestion is to create a separate section in Ubuntu (operating system) and cover Ubuntu on phones there, and link to Ubuntu for Android as a related project. – Steel 02:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Feel free to add your source as a counter-point and tag the contentious statement. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:02, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

No. Please provide some sources to support your assertion that the Ubuntu phone OS is based on Ubuntu for Android, at the moment you have shown zero. – Steel 03:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Of course my opinions are just those and carry no more weight than yours. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:16, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It seems that no one else wants to discuss it. It also seems that a (poorly written) article for Ububtu Phone has been created so perhaps the best thing to do is move this material into that and simply find a referenced statement that Ubuntu for Android was a springboard for the other (if that is the case). Then when more information is made available we reassess whether to merge the contents of this article into a history section there or whether this article remains as a legacy. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:28, 6 January 2013 (UTC)