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DANFS text

Maybe it's just me, but I find the tone of the text not quite "encyclopedia" quality. The article reads more like war-propaganda than neutral, historic facts.

I specifically object to terms like

"[...] she blasted numerous enemy gun emplacements, blockhouses, and eaves with devastating effect."
"[...] provided valuable support for the marines’ ground conquest of that important enemy island fortress"
"[...] but the destroyer splashed two of the raiders with intensive, accurate gunfire"
"[...] last desperate effort to destroy superior American seapower"
"[...] LSMR-189 and LSMR-190, praised by Commander Parker as "worth their weight in gold""
"Those on the picket line forged new shining traditions of heroic devotion to duty"

Et cetera. Although I don't (cannot) dispute the accuracy of the events described here, it really has a "we're the good guys, they're the bad ones" setting.

195.64.81.210 13:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments. You are infact correct. This article is rather slanted. That might be because it is is from the DANFS, since it is a public domain source many of its texts are copied word for word without fear of infringment. In fact I'm the one that copied the text into this article. I did a lot of these a while back and I admit I didn't always read the content very carefully, and so there has been a push to remove point of view wording from such articles. I have already editted the article at the points you described. Thanks again. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 16:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"copied word for word without fear of infringment." "I'm the one that copied the text" You are the only person I know of who brags about plagiarism. "Public domain" means you can use it without paying, not you're free to copy. Also, you might have checked your facts. Abele got the Medal, IIRC. Trekphiler (talk) 00:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, says who? Searching for 'Mannert Abele medal' didn't turn up anything but the Navy Cross.

—WWoods (talk) 07:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, "IIRC". Memory is always fallible, & no source at hand. If it doesn't need correcting, I'll happily leave it in. Trekphiler (talk) 04:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DANFS says Navy Cross, his citation is here. --Dual Freq (talk) 19:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The book "Three Minutes Off Okinawa: The sinking of the radar picket destroyer The U.S.S. Mannert L. Abele by Japanese kamikaze aircraft" written by Roy S. Andersen ISBN-13 978-0-9793671-0-6 documents the story of the Abele. Andersen was the electronics officer on the Abele at the time of the sinking, and interviews many of the survivors for his book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.68.27 (talk) 20:17, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]