Talk:Twelve Gauge Valentine

Christian metal

Hmmm provide a source that says they're a Christian metal band then it can be included. Well, that these three sources only review Christian bands: https://www.newreleasetoday.com/artistdetail.php?artist_id=1490 http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/cdreviews/ShockValue.asp http://www.crossrhythms.co.uk/products/Twelve_Gauge_Valentine/Shock_Value/19766/ makes a compelling case. None of them are going to say "Christian" (which as a proper noun should always be capitalized), but I don't have a source to support your term. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

And from the external links section, we have what was originally called Heaven's Metal magazine (HM (magazine) that only reviews Christian acts. Renfrow, Rand (November 2006). "12 Gauge Valentine" (122). HM Magazine. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help) Kern County Kid (November 2006). "Twelve Gauge Valentine - Shock Value" (122). HM Magazine. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help). if that does not suit your needs, we can discuss it in an RfC. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not gonna argue over this, despite the sources you've given only implying that they may be Christian band (and yes I know that Christian is a proper noun, I generally don't include any capitals in my edit summaries, it's just a personal thing, as I told you last time you told me the same thing), I think I read a Metal Hammer interview where the guitarist said most of the band weren't Christian, but I can't find what issue that was in, so I'm not going to claim that I do. Issan Sumisu (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand, both issues, and I recognize that the evidence is circumstantial.

There are a few elements around what constitutes a Christian band: 1) a band of members who—or whose primary lyricist is—self-identify as Christians 2) who make music about Christian topics 3) for a an audience of self-identifying Christian. Mainstream contemporary Christian music bands and performers hit all three points. Many bands have started to shy away from item 2 and focus on "clean" or "positive" lyrics. I've seen some bands and performers shy away from the "Christian" label using arguments such as "people are Christian, music isn't". I agree that it would be best to find a source that clearly states that the band is "Christian", but until then, this be the best we can do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:02, 13 October 2018 (UTC)