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This article does not make any sense

This article does not make any sense to me! How an earth did migration to Asia begin during the Ottoman Empire when Turks are actually from Asia!!!! This article could be changed to 'Turks in the Middle East' since there is academic work on Turkish guestworkers to these countries but it should definitely not stay the way it is at this point in time. Deutsch-Türkçe-English (talk) 11:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to Turks in the Arab world because Turks are considered Middle Eastern, therefore it still would not make sense really. Turco85 (Talk) 19:15, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Turkish citizen and ethnic Turkish are different. But in this article the Turkish citizens are shown as the ethnic Turkish.

Turkish citizen (Türk vatandaşı, Yurtdışında Yaşayan Türk Vatandaşları) is the citizen of the Republic of Turkey and includes many kind of ethnic groups, Kurdish, Zaza, Laz and son on. And this group doesn't include some ethnic Turkish group who doesn't have Turkish citizenship. We can use numbers in this list for Turkish citizen (Türk vatandaşı). But these number are invalid for Turkish People (Türkiye Türkleri).

Turkish people (Türkiye Türkleri) is one of the ethnic groups of Turkic people. For example, about 55 million Turkish people live in Turkey.

In this article will we write about which one ? Now there are serious problems in this article. We have to solve them. Thank you.

Takabeg (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All statistics of Turkish 'citizens have been removed.Turco85 (Talk) 20:12, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

February 2018

This has been removed for the following reason:

The part that starts with Most Turks in the Arab world are the descendants is WP:OR.
The part that starts with In North Africa, there is still a strong Turkish presence is a clear case of sources misrepresentation. None of the sources (old and irrelevant to begin with) says or even suggests such nonsense.
The part about kouloughlis is another case of sources misrepresentation (both sources are about the Ottoman period).
For the 5% and 25%:
- 1) The Oxford business group is not a reliable source. 2) Even if you consider it reliable, its latest editions (2011,^[1] 2015^[2]) and its website^[3] clearly state that 99% of the population is considered to be of Arab or Berber descent, with the European minority comprising the remaining 1% of inhabitants.
- The Turkish sputnik source is a piece of garbage that is full of preposterous claims and factual errors (the anonymous author claims that Turkey did not recognize Algeria until 1972).
- The 1953 source (written when 10% of the population was European) is neither here nor there. Furthermore, secondary and tertiary WP:RS contradicting it (describing Algeria's ethnic makeup as "99% Arab-Berber; less than 1 % European") can be cited ad nauseam.
- The 2008 Turkish source (which isn't reliable to start with) says: Etnik Özellikler: Cezayir nüfusunun çogunlugunu (% 78) Arap etnik kökeninden gelenlerin teskil ettikleri varsayilmaktadir... Cezayir nüfusunun %22’sini teskil eden Berberiler Kabil, Savi, Mozabit ve Tuareg gibi ait gruplardan olusmaktadir, which basically translates to: Ethnicity: It is assumed that the majority of the Algerian population (78%) consists of people of Arab ethnicity... The Berbers, which make up 22% of Algeria's population, are composed of groups such as Kabyles, Shawis, Mozabits and Tuaregs.

References

^ The Report: Algeria 2011. Oxford Business Group. 2011. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-907065-37-8.
^ Oxford Business Group (12 December 2015). The Report: Algeria 2015. Oxford Business Group. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-910068-47-2. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)
^ "Algeria continues to move ahead into its future". Oxford Business Group. 16 Jan 2017.

M.Bitton (talk) 00:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The Report: Algeria 2011. Oxford Business Group. 2011. p. 9. ISBN 978-1-907065-37-8.

[Group2015-2] Oxford Business Group (12 December 2015). The Report: Algeria 2015. Oxford Business Group. p. 12. ISBN 978-1-910068-47-2. {{cite book}}: |author= has generic name (help)

[Oxford_Business_Group_2017-3] "Algeria continues to move ahead into its future". Oxford Business Group. 16 Jan 2017.

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