Talk:Turkey Bowl

This article was nominated for deletion on 23 Nov 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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This page was marked for deletion because Shane Pitman and Turkey Bowl didn't return any results. This simply isn't documented anywhere else. The Turkey Bowl event is not national- it is a Cincinnati-based local event not elsewhere on the internet. If NEW information is not allowed on Wikipedia than so be it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Therobh (talk • contribs) .

Firstly, see my response to your objection on Talk:Flying zombo. That replies to most of the objections you raised here, too. In your own words on this very page, "This simply isn't documented anywhere else". Wikipedia, again, is not an indiscriminate collection of every bit of information ever. It is an online encyclopedia, and like other encyclopedias, it is about notable things. I have a cousin called Jason Varley. Does he deserve his own article? No, because he is not notable. It is not just a search for "Turkey Bowl" + "Shane Pitman" (with Shane Pitman being the alleged founder) that yields no results, but also "Turkey Bowl" + "Matt Watkins" (with Matt Watkins being the alleged 6-time Case Race winner), "Turkey Bowl" + "Jack Jepson" (with Jack Jepson being an alleged "Regular participant").

Also, further to my original message in Talk:Flying zombo, please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." So even if this event actually does happen each year, and even if it is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, where can we verify any of the information in the articles you created?

Do you see? --Dreaded Walrus 03:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Understood! I tried to delete my comment after our last message interchange via Flying Zombo. I respectfully take it all back and realize the error of my ways :)Therobh 01:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This wiki page has been modified to reflect it's prior information. Unfortunately, it seems the longest standing high school rivalry is a bit stronger than drinking games in Ohio. Sorry for the inconveneience. The old page can still be found in the history, should you wish to relocate the page.

It is all about spirit

No matter how bad the score is it is all about the fun of the game. Calvert Hall mey lose the Turkey bowl but their hearts are in the right place. 68.55.24.15Anne

Deletion

Am I the only one who feels that this article needs to be deleted? Honestly, how notable is this? And Turkey Bowl is commonly used in America to refer to any local non-professional game played on Thanksgiving, what makes this game so special? Who outside of Maryland and not affiliated with these colleges even cares? It needs to be deleted, but I'm a somewhat inexperienced user and am unsure of how to go about it. Héous 17:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree entirely that this article needs to be deleted. Perhaps you would be interested in reading this section of WP:AFD? :) --Dreaded Walrus 18:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't figure out if this is the proper way to leave a comment... But the Turkey Bowl between Calvert Hall and Loyola is the oldest high school rivalry in the country, and the information is verifiable in the programs that are sold every year. It doesn't matter if it has "national significance"; Wikipedia is not about things that are significant to a large number of people. The Turkey Bowl is a huge institution in Baltimore, and this page has no business being deleted. If someone with an interest in other Turkey Bowls around the country, they are certainly free to add to this page. User:Speedyturkey

That's generally a fine way to leave a comment, but remember to sign your talk page comments by adding ~~~~ to the end of your post.--Dreaded Walrus 04:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No to deletion

I do not agree with the deletion based on many facts. First, to say that no one outside of Maryland, let alone Calvert Hall or Loyola cares about the Turkey Bowl is a mistake. First, Calvert Hall and Loyola hold a strong tradition in educating young men who become very succesful Nationaly and even internationally. Though these schools may seem small, there is a very strong backing to them. Secondly, if you go through other local high school year books, such as all girl's schools, Turkey Bowl will always have a place reserved for them. True, there are many more Turkey Bowls, but the one that has been in place since the 1921 is a tradition that is learned from the first few steps someone takes into either Calvert Hall or Loyola. In other words Turkey Bowl is not just a one day event, its the enbodiment of rivalry that has taken place since the early '20s.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.248.94.159 (talk • contribs) .

Perhaps you would be interested in the deletion debate? Posting on this page here won't have any effect on the outcome, so perhaps you would be interested in going to the page I just linked to and adding your vote there? :) Also, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~) --Dreaded Walrus 18:16, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the unsigned comment above. What makes this game special is what it stands for, and the large group of people it affects. Considering how many people show up to the game, how many watch, and how many wait eagerly to hear the outcome, this is by far a "notable event". My thoughts have been posted to the deletion debate, and I hope this can all be resolved cleanly. --Andier 04:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean-Up

If this page isn't going to be deleted, then it needs some serious clean-up. In fact, it needs a complete rewrite. Here are some suggestions:

This article can't contain a gigantic list of all the past game scores. Instead, you should try linking to a site containing that information. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. So if you guys don't remove the gigantic list of scores, then I'll have to.

This article should not be exclusively focused on one Turkey Bowl, namely this one in Maryland. If you do a quick search on Google for Turkey Bowl, you'll note that it can refer to any number of amateur football games played on Thanksgiving day. Some attempt should be made to mention these.

In fact, the mention of this Turkey Bowl in particular should be reduced to a small paragraph, if at all. As I said, there are countless games named Turkey Bowl in the United States, what makes yours any more special than any of theirs?

Statements such as "Syracuse bound quarterback Andrew Robinson (18 of 33, 197 yards, 1 TD, 92 yards rushing) can't lead Calvert Hall past Joe Lennon (2 rushing TDs), Casey Creaney (114 yards rushing, 1 TD), and the Dons," sound like they were lifted out of some sports program. It sounds more like a narrative and does not fit the informal style required of an encyclopedia.

I've added the clean-up tag to this article, and I've put this article on my watchlist to make sure nobody removes it. Please consider changing some of the things listed, or I'll attempt to rewrite it myself. Héous 18:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These games are know and advertised as turkey bowls therefore they should be located here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.215.125 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]