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Tug O'Neale was nominated as a Media and drama good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (January 5, 2015). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Tug O'Neale was nominated as a Media and drama good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (April 5, 2013). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

A fact from Tug O'Neale appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 December 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Tristan Bancks was selected from a group of 200 actors to play the role of Tug O'Neale in Australian soap opera Home and Away?

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 20:19, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've read through the article and looked through the previous review, and I'm afraid I'm going to go ahead and fail it. None of the problems identified in the previous review have been addressed. The storyline and character development sections overlap more than they should, leading to substantial repetition. There are numerous problems with the writing, and a thorough copyedit is needed. The specific sentences given as examples in the previous review are unchanged, but there are many other examples that could be given. To get this article to GA level, I think the first step is a reorganization that avoids duplicating material, and then a copyedit. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article has never been reviewed. Someone has to take the hit when there is a backlog. ;)Rain the 1 21:36, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean -- the prior review is here. Or do you mean my review wasn't fair, or wasn't detailed enough? I can give you examples of prose problems if you like, but fixing the prose won't fix the main issue, which is the duplication of content. I'm sorry you had to wait so long just to get a fail without a chance to fix the article, but I really think that making this GA quality is going to take a bit more time than is usual to allow in a GA review. Please do ask for another opinion if you think I'm not being fair. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was referencing the previous review. The editor quick failed multiple articles and there was a drama involving various editors. But that is long resolved. This time around I was hoping for help and advice - some reviewers offer in depth suggestions and work with me on it. Non of my articles have been perfect or high brow - but thanks to GAN I did learn and improve. Which is all I have ever wanted to do as I enjoy editing. This article is two years old now. You mentioned the overlapping in the development and storyline section. I still create fictional character articles when I have time and in the last year I often do not include a plot sections for that reason.Rain the 1 22:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Would you be interested in collaborating on the article? I know nothing of the topic but I have written a lot of articles and I think I can probably help. Or if you prefer I can give you some more detailed feedback and leave you to it. Normally I do write detailed notes, and I rarely fail GA nominations, so I hope you'll believe me when I say I'd like to be constructive. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:14, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that would be great. If you have any suggestions to start off with that would be good. I am busy with work until the weekend which is why I had no time to check Wiki over the last two days.Rain the 1 02:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll follow up on the article talk page. I may not get to it tonight; I'm a bit swamped at the moment. If you don't hear from me by Sunday please ping me. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:43, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mike Christie - Ping.Rain the 1 22:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't forgotten; still finishing up a bunch of reviews. It will probably be a couple more days at least. I'm not starting any more reviews, so it won't get any worse. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 23:02, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I appreciate it and when ever you are free is fine with me.Rain the 1 23:36, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox version of the article

I've put a version of the article in a sandbox. I've changed the order of two of the sections, and made some cuts of material I felt was a duplication or not sufficiently relevant. Can you take a look and see if you agree with those changes? If so I'll do the same to the article and then we can look at more specific comments. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]