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Try Sleeping With A Broken Heart

On the single cover its spelled "Try Sleeping With A Broken Heart", its also spelled that way on the album.....so, the article should be spelled the same way......so, can someone unprotect the "Try Sleeping With A Broken Heart" article....please...

Teleyonce (talk) 13:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The single cover capitalizes every single letter in the title, so that's hardly an argument. The capitalization is correct as is, per WP:CAPS. — ξ ^xplicit 23:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Try Sleeping with a Broken Heart

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Try Sleeping with a Broken Heart's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "acharts":

From Karma (Alicia Keys song): "Alicia Keys – Karma – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-01-20.
From You Don't Know My Name: "Alicia Keys – You Don't Know My Name – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-01-20.
From Unplugged (Alicia Keys album): "Alicia Keys – Unplugged – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-04-19.
From Like You'll Never See Me Again: "Alicia Keys – Like You'll Never See Me Again – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2007-12-28.
From As I Am: "Alicia Keys – As I Am – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2007-11-20.
From If I Ain't Got You: "Alicia Keys – If I Ain't Got You – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-01-20.
From Superwoman (Alicia Keys song): "Alicia Keys – Superwoman – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-09-07.
From Teenage Love Affair: "Alicia Keys – Teenage Love Affair – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-06-07.
From Another Way to Die: "Alicia Keys and Jack White – Another Way To Die – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-11-01.
From No One (Alicia Keys song): "Alicia Keys – No One – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2007-10-20.
From The Diary of Alicia Keys: "Alicia Keys – The Diary Of Alicia Keys – Music Charts". αCharts.us. Retrieved 2008-04-19.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 17:05, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Problems with the musical analysis

>"The vocal range spans from E3 to D5. The basic chord progression of the song is B♭, C, and F.[2]"

First, as a general rule, stating a range using this format is problematic since there's no agreement in the industry as to the meaning of the number. Some devices and programs call middle C "C3"; others call it "C4"; some software programs offer the user the option of switching. To deal with this, there should be a standard Wikipedia widget that explains this, and further explains which convention Wikipedia has chosen as its standard. Perhaps there's an academic consensus that overrides the user interfaces of the various software programs, and hopefully this is somewhere in Wikipedia, but it should link to references such as these.

But regardless, E3 to D5 can't be right. The lowest note is C (in "nobody ever shut it down like you" and "don't ever hold on too tight"); the highest note is D (the first pitch of "love with you" and the last pitch of "hold on to-night" and the final "oh Lord"), so if we call the low note C3, the top note would only be D4. To put it another way, the song has a range of a 9th, not an octave plus a 7th. The second sentence states "the basic chord progression of the song is Bb, C and F". This is so insufficient to describe what's going on as to be a disservice. The song has F, Gm, F/A, Bb, C and Dm (or Bb/D), but its harmonic interest comes from the melodic movement of the bass, and the melody note F ringing out as the chord changes from Bb to C creating a dissonance that's one of the main hooks of the song. If a one sentence description is desired, it might be "While the song uses only diatonic notes from the F major scale, a wealth of harmonic hooks is created by the counterpoint between the melody and the active melodic bassline; particularly in the use of F in the melody against a C chord." Or something ... You can see why I'm whining on the Talk page instead of just fixing it.

[I checked the link to musicnotes.com, which shows enough of the sheet music product to indicate that the melody is correctly transcribed by musicnotes.com, and confirms the errors detailed above.]