Talk:Trump wall

The wall does not belong to Trump

@Peter L Griffin and Solo-man: — Agree  The title Trump wall more than suggests that this is the official name. The term "Trump's wall" was coined by Joe Biden and was meant to be a derogatory phrase and to suggest that the wall was only something that Trump had dreamed up. It was a rather transparent attempt to trivialize the idea of a border wall. While Trump certainly deserves much of the credit for getting the wall started, the wall is not anyone's original idea, and does not belong to Trump. He is not the only one over the years who has asked for serious measures to combat the flood of illegal immigration that began long before Trump was part of the political landscape. The title of this article should be MOVED to US-Mexican border wall. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 17:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

The proper mechanism is WP:RM, not a simple discussion thread. If you decide to do that, your hyphen will need to be an ndash per MOS. And note the existence of Mexico–United States border wall, which would make your suggestion a bit problematic anyway. That article is already "aware" of this article per its hatnote. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:58, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Mandruss — Many thanks. Rather than a MOVE perhaps it's best to MERGE Trump wall with Mexico–United States border wall, as the so called Trump wall article seems a little redundant, esp since Trump is mentioned some 64 times in the latter article. Again, the whole idea of a separate article whose title is "Trump wall" invokes many NPOV and partisan issues and all but abandons the idea of neutrality. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm neutral/DGAF aside from what I've already said. But good luck (I remember you from way back in the day; we certainly had some heated arguments, though I remember not what about). ―Mandruss ☎ 19:25, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

What about "Trump's wall policy" or something more along those lines? @Gwillhickers@Mandruss? I saw the NPOV tag and found it difficult to even find this conversation just now. Iljhgtn (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• There seems to be much difficulty with some individual editors in trying to get even simple summary statements in place regarding the wall and things related to the border. Biden, on his first day in office, stopped funding for the wall, and in the weeks immediately following reversed many dozens of border policies that were in place, and in the process closed down many check points along the border He may as well laid out a red carpet for illegal immigrants who saw Biden actions for what they were -- little regard for illegal alien crossings. Since then record numbers of illegals, approximately ten million, have entered the country.under Biden's watch, many of them on the terrorist watch list or are gang members, not to mention the epidemic proportions of human trafficking, drug and gun smuggling. In any case, anything you can add to this or any other Biden related article on the subject will have my support. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  Although I do support Trump's vision of the border wall, the 10 million number are encounters with people many of whom are not allowed to enter or deported in a short time, the main problem is the unapprehended migrants and the catch and release policy. A single alien may have been apprehended ("encounter"ed multiple times by the Border Patrol, US Citizens Were 80 Percent of Crossers with Fentanyl at Ports of Entry from 2019 to 2024 | Cato at Liberty Blog Even Koch funded Cato institute agrees that the fentanyl issue is not related to illegal immigration. What you said about drug and gun smuggling is simply not supported by reliable sources, why would guns be smuggled when you can get them so easily in America. I hope your beliefs don't cloud your edits on Biden related articles. Theofunny (talk) 14:50, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• There are plenty of sources covering these issues, some of which can be found throughout this section. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 18:42, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

  There already exists this page Mexico–United States border wall. Which is almost an exact duplicate of what you were originally suggesting. Do you think a merge of this page into that page would make more sense then since the name is already taken? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

  So who needs to do or allow the merging. "Trump wall" is such a political misnomer and used to advance political ideologies unnecessarily through this medium. Solo-man (talk) 23:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

  Any of us could. There does appear to be consensus for the move. I don't have time to do that now. Though maybe one day. I'd support someone else doing it though. Iljhgtn (talk) 22:20, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

  I support merging Trump wall and Mexico-United States border wall under the name of the later. They are virtually identical. If someone opens a poll/discussion (which I don't know how to do) I will vote for a merger. Completely Random Guy (talk) 00:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

  Clear consensus appears to exist. The merge should move forward now. Iljhgtn (talk) 01:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree! Completely Random Guy (talk) 02:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  I read about how to conduct a merge and I will start that process now. If I make any mistakes, to any admin or others reading this, please be patient and help correct for them or message me on my talk page if needed. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  In fact, most if not all of the relevant segments of this page are already found at Mexico–United States border wall, so I am going to merge as a redirect to this section Mexico–United_States_border_wall#First_Trump_administration_(2017–2021) Iljhgtn (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  Later on, during the presumed second Trump administration, the redirect end target can be altered if a new and better end target for the redirect ends up being made, but regardless consensus appears clear to merge this page as a redirect to the Mexico–United States border wall article. Iljhgtn (talk) 23:17, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

  The merge and related pages should now be complete. Took longer than expected, but its done now. @Gwillhickers @Completely Random Guy @Solo-man Iljhgtn (talk) 05:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you well done ! Solo-man (talk) 05:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

  Awesome! Thanks! Completely Random Guy (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)