Talk:Triumph Group

Should "Triumph Aerospace Systems", "Triumph Aerostructures" and "Triumph Aftermarket Services" be their own pages?

I am wondering if "Triumph Aerospace Systems", "Triumph Aerostructures" and "Triumph Aftermarket Services" should be their own pages? The Triumph Group may be getting a little bit long...--Jax 0677 (talk) 06:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

I would say: not yet. You are doing a great job expanding the article, but I would suggest keeping it all on one page for now. The main thing that is lacking are third party refs to establish notability and you don't really have enough here yet, let alone enough for more sub-articles. I think some heading level changes are needed, but I'll let you finish up your work first and see how it looks. - Ahunt (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback Ahunt. Sorry this is taking so long. This is my first article of this length, so I am learning a lot from it, and I don't have time to edit the whole thing in one single swoop. I appreciate your help, and I'm sure I'll finish it in due time. When you say "[enough] third party refs", do you mean in total, or as a percentage of the article length?--Jax 0677 (talk) 02:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

No problem and no rush, either. Take your time, Wikipedia does not have deadlines to meet! I just mean "more" third party refs to balance out the company refs cited. - Ahunt (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

After trial and tribulation, all of the "Triumph Group" sections have descriptions. Now we can work on more third party references.--Jax 0677 (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

You have done a lot of work there, great going! Yup third party refs would be a good thing to find along with criticism, controversies, etc. It would be really nice to be able to add a photo or two as well as the article is a bit dull with just text. Perhaps if some editor lives near one facility (I don't) then they could snap a photo of the plant and the sign out front? - Ahunt (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Are we ready to split out "Triumph Aerospace Systems", "Triumph Aerostructures" and "Triumph Aftermarket Services" into their own pages yet?--Jax 0677 (talk) 20:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I realize that the article is getting a bit long, but other than that is there a need to do this at this point in time? - Ahunt (talk) 23:49, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess not. If this is the case, then I am done editing this article for the near and foreseeable future.--Jax 0677 (talk) 00:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Well let's see if anyone complains about the length. I know I already gave you a Wikiwings award for your work on this, but I just wanted to add an additional congratulations at this point, you have done a tremendous amount of work on this article! - Ahunt (talk) 00:45, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey Ahunt, thanks for the vote of confidence. When I think back to the end of September when I created the article, it was only two lines long and was nominated for speedy deletion. Speedy deletion was only denied because the company was a $1.4 billion company on the New York Stock Exchange. It was then placed on Articles for Deletion, which was overwhelmingly overturned. The article now has a history section, as well as detailed descriptions of the more than forty companies that comprise it. Now that I think about it, I too have my doubts about whether or not separating the article into three additional articles is justified. But we'll see how it all goes in due time.--Jax 0677 (talk) 03:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

The AfD was how came to find it. Glad I was able to help out in a small way, but you did the heavy lifting. Let's both just keep a watch on it and see how it evolves. I am always on the look out for news stories as well to use as refs to perhaps add some more day-to-day information to what is mostly a background article right now. - Ahunt (talk) 13:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Request Edits

My name is Abraham and I work for Triumph Group. I recognize as a Triumph Group employee, I have a clear conflict of interest and will utilize the talk pages to discuss edits regarding this article. I noticed there are a few errors in this article regarding the current leadership and want to flag for the community first for transparency, before I make any edits. Here are the edits for consideration:

1. Edit the “Key People” section to include: Daniel J. Crowley as President and Chief Executive Officer. [citation: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151229005194/en/Triumph-Group-Names-Daniel-J.-Crowley-President]

2. Edit the “Key People” section to include: Jim McCabe as Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer [citation: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/triumph-hires-james-mccabe-cfo-192036932.html]

3. Edit the “Key People” section to include: Lance Turner as Senior Vice President and Chief Human Resources Officer

4. Edit the “Key People” section to include: Melissa Scheppele as Vice President and Chief Information Officer

5. Delete: Richard C. III, Chairman; Jeffry Frisby, President and CEO; Jeffrey L. McRae SVP and CFO from “Key People” section [citation: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151229005194/en/Triumph-Group-Names-Daniel-J.-Crowley-President] AbrahamK808 (talk) 22:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay,  Done. I added the refs, but left out two people as not important enough for the info box. - Ahunt (talk) 14:46, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Request Edits

My name is Abraham and I work for Triumph Group. I recognize as a Triumph Group employee, I have a clear conflict of interest and will utilize the talk pages to discuss edits regarding this article. I noticed there are a few errors in this article regarding the current information regarding the company structure and want to flag for the community first for transparency, before I make any edits. Here are the edits for consideration:

1.) Edit in main description “components and systems” to “services, structures, systems, and support” [citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/who-we-are/]

2.) Edit in main description “Triumph Aerospace Systems Group, Triumph Aerostructures and Triumph Aftermarket Services Group” to “Integrated Systems, Aerospace Structures, and Product Support” [citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/who-we-are/]

3.) Edit the “Segments” Section to “Business Units”

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/]

4.) Edit “Triumph refers to divisions of the corporation as segments” to “Triumph refers to divisions of the corporation as business units”

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/]

5.) Edit “Triumph Aerostructures” to “Triumph Aerospace Structures”

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/]

6.) Edit “Triumph Aerospace Systems” to “Triumph Integrated Systems”

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/aerospace-structures/]

7.) Edit “Triumph Aftermarket Services” to “Triumph Product Support”

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/product-support/]

8.) Edit under business units are operating companies. Operating company and business unit descriptions are below.

Aerospace Structures

Triumph Aerospace Structures integrates technology, manufacturing and tooling to create metallic and composite aircraft structures. Triumph Aerospace Structures designs, engineers, manufactures and assembles large complex structures, sub-systems and close-tolerance parts for military, commercial and industrial OEMs. As a large Tier 1 structures integrator, Triumph Aerospace Structures key products include wings, wing boxes, fuselage panels, horizontal and vertical tails and sub-assemblies such as floor grids.

Commercial Structures

Integrated design, build and assembly of major aircraft structures including wings, empennages, flight control surfaces, fuselage structures, and nacelle products for commercial, regional and business jet aircraft.

Metallic Components

Close-tolerance parts built to customer design and model-based definition for a wide range of aluminum, exotic and hard metal structures. Core competencies include machining, turning, fabrication, processing and assemblies produced for OEMs and Tier 1 suppliers serving the commercial, military, and industrial sectors.

Composites & Military Structures

Specialized carbon fiber, fiberglass prepreg and honeycomb core materials used to produce advanced composite details and major assemblies for commercial and military aircraft such as wings, nacelles, empennages, flight control surfaces and fuselage structures.

Interiors

Integrated design and manufacture of thermo-acoustic insulation, environmental control system ducting, reinforced thermoplastic and other aircraft interior components & composite components for major aerospace OEMs.

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/aerospace-structures/]

Integrated Systems

Triumph Integrated Systems provides a full range of integrated solutions for aircraft manufactures around the globe. Triumph Integrated Systems partners with key manufacturers to produce crucial components, systems and subsystems required to help maintain a competitive and technological advantage. Triumph Integrated Systems provides design, development and support of internally designed components, subsystems and systems, as well as production of complex assemblies using external designs. Capabilities include hydraulic, mechanical and electromechanical actuation, power and control for landing gear, as well as a complete suite of aerospace gearbox solutions, including engine accessory gearboxes, helicopter transmissions, and fuel management, such as full authority digital electronic controls (FADEC).

Electronics & Controls

Designs, develops and tests a variety of electrical components including electric actuators and control electronics for use in both military and commercial aerospace applications.

Actuation & Control

Manufactures actuators for landing gear, cargo doors, ramps, cowl doors, wing folds and miscellaneous utility actuators. Sizes range from several inches to eleven feet and materials include high strength steel, stainless steel, aluminum and titanium.

Mechanical Solutions

Triumph Integrated Systems provides mechanical solutions including design, development, manufacturer and support of highly engineered mechanical controls, actuation and components as well as production of complex mechanical assemblies using external designs.

Geared Solutions

Manufacture, test and assembly of complete transmission and gearbox assemblies as well as complex gears and housings.

Triumph Geared Solutions specifies and designs any gear application, from simple build-to-print work to collaboratively engineered and highly specialized applications.

Fluid Power & Actuation

Triumph Integrated Systems – Fluid Power & Actuation designs, develops, manufactures and services fuel pumps, fuel metering units and electronic control systems. Triumph Integrated Systems – Fluid Power & Actuation maintains a unique capability for systems integration as well as hydromechanical and electronics in-house development.

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/integrated-systems/]

Product Support

Triumph Product Support (TPS) provides total life cycle solutions for commercial, regional and military aircraft. Triumph’s extensive product and service offerings include full post-delivery value chain services that simplify the MRO supply chain.

Triumph Product Support (TPS) aftermarket capabilities include repair of aircraft structures, interiors, fuel components and accessories, pneumatics, hydraulics, CSDs, IDGs, high lift systems, thrust reversers, environmental systems, heat transfer, landing gear actuation and many other key accessories and components.

Accessory Services

Triumph Accessory Services’ facilities in Texas and Kansas provide maintenance services to both military and commercial entities for aircraft, heavy accessories and airborne electrical power generation devices.

Repair and overhaul support for most aircraft accessories including pneumatics, hydraulics, environmental systems, actuation, CSD/IDG, heat transfer, engine controls, fuel accessories, and gearboxes.

Aviation Services-NAAS

Triumph Aviation Services-NAAS Division is a global provider of aviation support solutions and professional services. Triumph Aviation Services-NAAS Division provides turnkey planeside labor support services to airlines, MROs, government operators and OEMs.

Airborne Structures

Triumph Airborne Structures specializes in the repair and overhaul of commercial, regional, and military nacelles and flight control surfaces. Maintains a quality management system passing industry auditing procedures Helping customers manage their inventory levels by ordering and maintaining part stocking levels as well as managing any required MSDS sheets

Interiors

Triumph Interiors provides solutions and refurbishment services for most regional and commercial aircraft. Additionally, Triumph Interiors offers aircraft operators a rotable parts inventory for refurbishment of quick change items.

Aviation Services - Asia

Triumph Aviation Services Asia (TASA) capabilities include nacelle components, radomes, flight control surfaces, piece-part repairs, CNC machining, autoclave and oven curing, NDT, sheet-metal and composite repairs, wheel and brake overhauls and full pneumatic, electric, hydraulic and fuel accessory component repairs and overhauls. Triumph Aviation Services Asia has been a Boeing authorized warranty repair station for the CFM56-7 fan reverser since 2012, as well as Trent 800 fan reversers in 2015. In July 2015, Triumph Aviation Services Asia partnered with Airbus to provide regional and complex repair services for flight control surfaces and structural parts to airlines and MROs in the Asia-Pacific region.

[citation: http://www.triumphgroup.com/business-units/product-support/]

AbrahamK808 (talk) 19:40, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

The eight short items you listed above are okay changes, but the rest is is far too promotional in language. "Triumph Integrated Systems provides a full range of integrated solutions for aircraft manufactures around the globe" is all marketing speak that we don't use here. This all needs to be re-written into encyclopedic language. - Ahunt (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Understood. Here is the re-write:

Triumph Group designs, engineers, manufactures, repairs and overhauls aviation structures, components, accessories, subassemblies and systems for aircraft at all stages of the aerospace lifecycle. The company serves three aerospace markets:

• Military
• Commercial/Business Jet
• Aftermarket

Triumph Group provides parts, components and systems for commercial, regional, business and military platforms, both manned and unmanned.

Triumph Group is organized into three market-facing business units:

• Triumph Aerospace Structures
• Triumph Integrated Systems
• Triumph Product Support

Triumph Aerospace Structures engineers, manufactures and assembles large complex structures, subsystems and close-tolerance parts for military, commercial and industrial OEMs. Aerospace Structures consists of metallic & composite components, interiors, military and commercial structures

Triumph Integrated Systems designs, develops and tests electrical components for use in military and commercial aerospace applications. Integrated Systems consists of electronics and controls, actuation and controls, mechanical solutions, geared solutions, fluid power and actuation.

Triumph Product Support maintains military and commercial entities for aircraft, heavy accessories and airborne electrical power generation devices. Product Support consists of accessory services, aviation services, airborne structures and interiors.

AbrahamK808 (talk) 23:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay I have made a start on it. I have had to reword things further, just to reduce marketing-speak (ie solutions are things dissolved in water). See if I got it right so far. - Ahunt (talk) 01:50, 25 February 2018 (UTC)