Talk:Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1825)

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Before trying to expand this, as it's very complicated, I'm going to compile here a variety of online sources; it's hard to sort out the competing interpretations of the treaty's language and meaning and original debates, and hard not to be POV about clearly willfull misinterpretations/reinterpretations of the material, whether from the Ameriacn side, the BC one, or the Canadian/imperial one (there being actually three differing viewpoints, not two): Anyway the first ref here is an American equivalent to Alexander Begg's analyses, one or two of which are linked in the References or External links of Alaska boundary dispute:

The Alaska-Canadian Frontier, Thomas William Balch , 1898
Canada and its provinces : a history of the Canadian people and their institutions Volume 8, Various authors (search "Ukase" and "Alaska" etc.)
Hereditary Knights of the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, 1914 - not related directly to the boundary issues but included here because the Ukase of 1799 had various religious clauses/edicts of which the establishment (re-establishment?) of the Maltese Order in Russia (soon after abolished by other ukases it seems)....Begg makes mention of religious clauses but doesn't say what they were; I think somewhere I saw something about the status of the Russian Orthodox Church in Alaska but not in any sources I'm currently aware of.
Is Hudson Bay an Open Sea, Thomas William Balch - JSTOR only. damn JSTOR's elitism with interesting articles anyway, I'll get up to the uni library so I can look this one over and make copies of any relevant passages...
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22ukase+of+1799%22&hl=en&filter=0 Google search for "Ukase of 1799"] includes material above but also NYT pdf's on Bering Sea Arbitration which may make reference to 1821, 1824, 1825, 1838, 1867 etc....Skookum1 (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Art of the Possible: Government and Foreign Policy in Canada, James Aeyrs U. of T. 1961 - makes mention of an Ukase of 1825 in reference to Alaska; this may be a mis-statement/misapprehension or it may be something I haven't seen any other ref on; this was a mis-google and there was only one link so I think it's likely a mistake.
Most google results for "Ukase of 1821" return materials realted to the law of the sea/Bering Sea Aribtration, many of them only abstracts or titles of works available for purchase only. I'll be back, need a break.Skookum1 (talk) 15:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I"m of a mind that the articles on the Ukase of 1799 and the Ukase of 1821 should get written, or at least stubbed, first.....Skookum1 (talk) 15:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was on the Fort Stikine page:

The Dryad Affair: Corporate Warfare and Anglo-Russian Rivalry for the Alaskan Lisière, J.W. Shelest, Conference Paper for "Borderlands", June 1989

"This paper was originally presented at a 2-4 June 1989 conference dealing with the Yukon/Alaska/BC border and the issues surrounding this border held in Whitehorse, YT, Canada. The conference was jointly sponsored by the Yukon Historical & Museums Association (YHMA), Yukon College, The University of Victoria's Public History Group, and the Alaska Historical Society. The proceedings were published by the YHMA."

Skookum1 (talk) 19:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]